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12-22-23, 09:54 AM
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Finally, the OP and yourself seem to say that Bike Gremlin should do better. Why don’t you do “better” by starting your own website. I’m sure you and the OP could bang one out in a day or two…considering his encyclopedic knowledge. Quite complaining unless you are going to do something about it.
12-22-23, 10:59 AM
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If the manufacturers, sellers, and cycling heritage don't agree, does that make you right?
You, however, are missing the point. Bike Gremlin (and myself) was saying that the bottom bracket is an integral part of the crankset. Not from the standpoint of that the bottom bracket is, or should be, sold with the crank arms but from the stand point of the bottom bracket is necessary for the crankset to used on a bicycle.
In case you missed it, it was about sharing bad or incorrect information. One can already access definitive sources, so we don't need to do so. One is Sheldon Brown's Bicycle Technical Info, and the other is Park Tool.
Again, if you can do better, do so! My career was in chemistry. If I used an old method that didn’t give reliable results, I didn’t complain to the method developer that the method should be better. Often that would be impossible because the original method was developed decades earlier. I improved it by developing a better method. If the developer of the method was still around, I’d work with them on making the method better.
Same idea applies here. Either develop a better method or work with the developer to make the product better.
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12-22-23, 11:07 AM
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12-22-23, 11:15 AM
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Am I alone in thinking that Kontact could/should be a staff writer for Bike Gremlin to really get into the situation and use his encyclopedic knowledge to correct it?
Actually doing something to help seems like a win/win.
Actually doing something to help seems like a win/win.
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Am I alone in thinking that Kontact could/should be a staff writer for Bike Gremlin to really get into the situation and use his encyclopedic knowledge to correct it?
Actually doing something to help seems like a win/win.
Actually doing something to help seems like a win/win.
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12-22-23, 11:28 AM
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You, however, are missing the point. Bike Gremlin (and myself) was saying that the bottom bracket is an integral part of the crankset. Not from the standpoint of that the bottom bracket is, or should be, sold with the crank arms but from the stand point of the bottom bracket is necessary for the crankset to used on a bicycle.
No, I didn’t miss your point. I’m saying that you and others are making mountains out of molehills. Sheldon Browns page isn’t perfect. There’s lots there to disagree with. The point is “disagreement” not that the information is bad or incorrect. The same applies to Bike Gremlin’s page. It isn’t perfect but it exists and it’s not as horrible as the OP makes it out to be. Were 6 speed cassettes made? Yes. Are they made any more? No. Are 6 and 7 speed cogs and/or spacers the same width? No. Are they damned close? I’d say 0.05mm isn’t enough to quibble about.
Again, if you can do better, do so! My career was in chemistry. If I used an old method that didn’t give reliable results, I didn’t complain to the method developer that the method should be better. Often that would be impossible because the original method was developed decades earlier. I improved it by developing a better method. If the developer of the method was still around, I’d work with them on making the method better.
Same idea applies here. Either develop a better method or work with the developer to make the product better.
Again, if you can do better, do so! My career was in chemistry. If I used an old method that didn’t give reliable results, I didn’t complain to the method developer that the method should be better. Often that would be impossible because the original method was developed decades earlier. I improved it by developing a better method. If the developer of the method was still around, I’d work with them on making the method better.
Same idea applies here. Either develop a better method or work with the developer to make the product better.
12-22-23, 11:43 AM
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Am I alone in thinking that Kontact could/should be a staff writer for Bike Gremlin to really get into the situation and use his encyclopedic knowledge to correct it?
Actually doing something to help seems like a win/win.
Actually doing something to help seems like a win/win.
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12-22-23, 12:15 PM
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Am I alone in thinking that Kontact could/should be a staff writer for Bike Gremlin to really get into the situation and use his encyclopedic knowledge to correct it?
Actually doing something to help seems like a win/win.
Actually doing something to help seems like a win/win.
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12-22-23, 12:35 PM
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Snark aside, the honest truth is that BikeGremlin is a master at web design and search engine optimization. The best thing for him to do, is to handle the web design for the Sheldon Brown website. Right now John Allen is doing a good job with the content, but the website is maddenly and frustratingly hard to navigate. There is no need to duplicate Sheldon/John Allen's info. It just needs to be organized better.
Found it - it's a bit funny, but nice, I think - sent this in 2019:
Hello,
My name is Relja Novović, from Serbia. I contacted Mr John Allen via Facebook and they recommended to email you with this, so here it is:
I think that Sheldon Brown website and should be preserved for future generation as a treasure of information (and more).
Thank you for keeping it running - it is very much appreciated (by most of the cycling community for all I know).
While I'm writing this, I'm hoping it is a waste of time and you have it all covered, but just in case:
if you need any help with website backups, hosting, security, or any other technical aspects, I'd be happy to help, whatever I can, in my own free time.
Best regards,
Relja
My name is Relja Novović, from Serbia. I contacted Mr John Allen via Facebook and they recommended to email you with this, so here it is:
I think that Sheldon Brown website and should be preserved for future generation as a treasure of information (and more).
Thank you for keeping it running - it is very much appreciated (by most of the cycling community for all I know).
While I'm writing this, I'm hoping it is a waste of time and you have it all covered, but just in case:
if you need any help with website backups, hosting, security, or any other technical aspects, I'd be happy to help, whatever I can, in my own free time.
Best regards,
Relja
Edit:
My site's design was done by my friend Maša.
I just implemented all that she said (colours, layout, she listed how every single detail should look, with hex. colour codes since I'm awful at visuals).
BIkeGremlin website redesign story
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12-23-23, 09:33 AM
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Before this gets locked, I wasn't around here when Sheldon Brown was posting but I'd wager he didn't call himself an encyclopedia and he would not have entertained this argument that someone else's site should be shut down on his authority. There are (IMHO) some encyclopedic posters here mostly in the C&V forum that would not call themselves encyclopedias either. I think more people would agree that you should ask the mods to close this thread than those thinking this other guy should take down his site.
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Before this gets locked, I wasn't around here when Sheldon Brown was posting but I'd wager he didn't call himself an encyclopedia and he would not have entertained this argument that someone else's site should be shut down on his authority. There are (IMHO) some encyclopedic posters here mostly in the C&V forum that would not call themselves encyclopedias either. I think more people would agree that you should ask the mods to close this thread than those thinking this other guy should take down his site.
12-23-23, 11:07 AM
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To be fair, it was the fellow you started this thread about that suggested you asked for it to be taken down. And your attitude has suggested that he didn’t make that up.
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So I complain that someone posts a lot of misinformation, and then you quote that guy as evidence against me?
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lol. I think your mom could tell you that you are her favorite and you would argue with her.
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12-23-23, 11:54 AM
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closing for review. there may be more bickering than useful content in this thread.
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