New 750d Wheel Standard
08-23-23, 10:55 PM
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New 750d Wheel Standard
So Bike Radar are reporting that Moots unveiled a prototype Routt CRDD running 750d WTB KOM Light i25 rims wrapped in WTB 750x40 Nano Raptor tires. 700c is 622 mm, while the new 750d rims are 660 mm, meaning that with a 40 mm tire on them, they're about the same diameter as a 29er wheel running a relatively chubby tire.
I'm sure the Internet will take to them with all the love that the Niner MRC, the Canyon Hover bars and every other innovation labelled gravel and provided in plaid or camo pattern have been given.
Thoughts?
I'm sure the Internet will take to them with all the love that the Niner MRC, the Canyon Hover bars and every other innovation labelled gravel and provided in plaid or camo pattern have been given.
Thoughts?
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08-24-23, 02:08 AM
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My thought? Not a chance in hell I will have anything to do with it. This is a dumb solution to a non-existent problem.
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This seems to mostly be a niche geometry thing for taller (6'4"+) riders, so I don't think it's going to become a common size.
We'll just likely see more tyre sizes across a range:
XS, S = 650b
M, L = 700c
XL, XXL = 750d.
It may also be good for fast riding on rough terrain, but I think outside of competitions people will just stick to 700c or 29".
We'll just likely see more tyre sizes across a range:
XS, S = 650b
M, L = 700c
XL, XXL = 750d.
It may also be good for fast riding on rough terrain, but I think outside of competitions people will just stick to 700c or 29".
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08-24-23, 08:19 AM
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I saw that article and made the following comment"
it's the cycling industrial complex gearing up to sell us the Next Thing You Gotta Have.
Bikes can't get any lighter, they can't cram in any more gears, so with a new tire standard,
you need a new frame, new rims etc. it's a self licking ice cream cone
Just another "thing" for dealers to stock and another dimension of "compatibility". Look at the confusion of Bottom Bracket standards.
The thing the industry needs to do is get more people riding bikes. Ebikes are a good thing in this regard. More tire standards that are "dedicated" to the high end custom market are not needed, will just dilute current sales and 5 years from now you'll have a bike and wheels that you cannot find tires for.
ridiculous
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it's the cycling industrial complex gearing up to sell us the Next Thing You Gotta Have.
Bikes can't get any lighter, they can't cram in any more gears, so with a new tire standard,
you need a new frame, new rims etc. it's a self licking ice cream cone
Just another "thing" for dealers to stock and another dimension of "compatibility". Look at the confusion of Bottom Bracket standards.
The thing the industry needs to do is get more people riding bikes. Ebikes are a good thing in this regard. More tire standards that are "dedicated" to the high end custom market are not needed, will just dilute current sales and 5 years from now you'll have a bike and wheels that you cannot find tires for.
ridiculous
/markp
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08-24-23, 01:01 PM
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I concur with the rest of the luddites in this thread. I’ve been riding 700 wheels since I was like 9 years old, you can pry them out of my cold dead hands!
also WTB KOM = want to buy King of mountain
also WTB KOM = want to buy King of mountain
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New wheel size? Ok, that's good, but I was really hoping for a new bottom bracket standard.
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maybe linked to wheel size?
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All the tech geeks will just love it, they just have to have the latest and greatest.
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I don't know how great they may or may not be since I've never ridden them. But couldn't they just give the ISO size of the wheel instead of the less useful name of 750d? I guess 750d sounds more impressive than 660's. But I guess since we call them 700c's instead of 622's they felt everyone would think them smaller and inferior with a lesser number.
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No, you don't understand the new size.
A new 750D (ISO660 rim) with a 40mm tire has the same outer circumference as a 700C ('29er', ISO622 rim) with a 60mm tire, so you can interchange (thank you, disc brakes!) them for trail and road riding without changing the bike's geometr....
Sorry, I couldn't type that out without breaking up laughing.
Hey, here's wild and crazy: the new bikepacking rigs use 29ers. I'm thinking unless one is out in the gnarlies where 29ers (ISO622) come into their own, a new, smaller size wheel would roll along the trail just fine while allowing more room for the new style bikepacking bags that fit between the bars and front wheel, and between the saddle and rear wheel. Perhaps something down around ISO558~560?
A new 750D (ISO660 rim) with a 40mm tire has the same outer circumference as a 700C ('29er', ISO622 rim) with a 60mm tire, so you can interchange (thank you, disc brakes!) them for trail and road riding without changing the bike's geometr....
Sorry, I couldn't type that out without breaking up laughing.
Hey, here's wild and crazy: the new bikepacking rigs use 29ers. I'm thinking unless one is out in the gnarlies where 29ers (ISO622) come into their own, a new, smaller size wheel would roll along the trail just fine while allowing more room for the new style bikepacking bags that fit between the bars and front wheel, and between the saddle and rear wheel. Perhaps something down around ISO558~560?
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I am going to say this could be a good thing as long as the B.B.s are high enough potentially with the right frame one could run much wider 650b or 29" tires and go really wide which appeals to me as I like wider tires.
In terms of having a new standard yeah not excited but the potential for running wider and wider tires for road/gravel bikes always intrigues me. I guess some people want more stagnation, I get that yes new standards and new yada yada yada sure but if people didn't try stuff we might be all still on penny farthings or having rods at the back of our seat stays to shift our bikes.
My main complaint is they didn't figure out a tire with a 666 ISO diameter that would have been hilarious.
In terms of having a new standard yeah not excited but the potential for running wider and wider tires for road/gravel bikes always intrigues me. I guess some people want more stagnation, I get that yes new standards and new yada yada yada sure but if people didn't try stuff we might be all still on penny farthings or having rods at the back of our seat stays to shift our bikes.
My main complaint is they didn't figure out a tire with a 666 ISO diameter that would have been hilarious.
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I don't know how great they may or may not be since I've never ridden them. But couldn't they just give the ISO size of the wheel instead of the less useful name of 750d? I guess 750d sounds more impressive than 660's. But I guess since we call them 700c's instead of 622's they felt everyone would think them smaller and inferior with a lesser number.
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I am going to say this could be a good thing as long as the B.B.s are high enough potentially with the right frame one could run much wider 650b or 29" tires and go really wide which appeals to me as I like wider tires.
In terms of having a new standard yeah not excited but the potential for running wider and wider tires for road/gravel bikes always intrigues me. I guess some people want more stagnation, I get that yes new standards and new yada yada yada sure but if people didn't try stuff we might be all still on penny farthings or having rods at the back of our seat stays to shift our bikes.
My main complaint is they didn't figure out a tire with a 666 ISO diameter that would have been hilarious.
In terms of having a new standard yeah not excited but the potential for running wider and wider tires for road/gravel bikes always intrigues me. I guess some people want more stagnation, I get that yes new standards and new yada yada yada sure but if people didn't try stuff we might be all still on penny farthings or having rods at the back of our seat stays to shift our bikes.
My main complaint is they didn't figure out a tire with a 666 ISO diameter that would have been hilarious.
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No, you don't understand the new size.
A new 750D (ISO660 rim) with a 40mm tire has the same outer circumference as a 700C ('29er', ISO622 rim) with a 60mm tire, so you can interchange (thank you, disc brakes!) them for trail and road riding without changing the bike's geometr....
Sorry, I couldn't type that out without breaking up laughing.
Hey, here's wild and crazy: the new bikepacking rigs use 29ers. I'm thinking unless one is out in the gnarlies where 29ers (ISO622) come into their own, a new, smaller size wheel would roll along the trail just fine while allowing more room for the new style bikepacking bags that fit between the bars and front wheel, and between the saddle and rear wheel. Perhaps something down around ISO558~560?
A new 750D (ISO660 rim) with a 40mm tire has the same outer circumference as a 700C ('29er', ISO622 rim) with a 60mm tire, so you can interchange (thank you, disc brakes!) them for trail and road riding without changing the bike's geometr....
Sorry, I couldn't type that out without breaking up laughing.
Hey, here's wild and crazy: the new bikepacking rigs use 29ers. I'm thinking unless one is out in the gnarlies where 29ers (ISO622) come into their own, a new, smaller size wheel would roll along the trail just fine while allowing more room for the new style bikepacking bags that fit between the bars and front wheel, and between the saddle and rear wheel. Perhaps something down around ISO558~560?
Maybe you can call it “25.5” or something so it will seem new and sell well.
