lug symbols...a list nucleus
03-19-06, 09:59 AM
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It is snowing here. No riding for me. I have a garage to clean, so, I do what most people in my situation would do - I went surfing. I pulled together the start of a valuable reference list for old bicycles - the lug cutouts and who they might belong to. I only looked for a little while - add to the post any information you may have about cutouts, please.
6/15/06 edit - added all new and sorted the list. WooHoo!
Baylis - all suits
Bianchi - the letter B,all suits
Bruce Gordon - flames
Carlton - teardrop
Cilo - dovetail
Cinelli - 3 round holes in line and descending size
Ciocc - all suits
Colnago - club
Confente - spade
Cooper - circles
Cornelo - Three leaf clover (a bit streched vertical)
Davidson (Seattle) - 3-lobed shamrock without a stem
De Rosa - heart
Eisentraut - spade
Faggin - the letter F
Gazelle - gazelle (duh!), arrowhead
Grandis - G
Guerciotti - Star
Libertas - Round cutout
Luigi Montagner - LM in a circle
Malvern Star - six-pointed star
Marinonni(canada) - maple leaf, Fleur de Lys, M
Masi (and countless others) - dovetail
Moulton ('70's) - Cloverleaf cutout
Nishiki - Arrowhead, at least.
Ochsner - dovetail (circles on inside fork tangs)
Pinarello - clove
Pogliaghi - diamond
Rauler - club or clover
Raysport - 3 round holes in line and descending sizeRossin - a pentagram surrounding a stylized R
Sachs - all suits
San Rensho - Three Rings
Scapin - three open rings
Somec - tulip
Stan Pike - three leaf clover without a stem
Tommassini - a stylized T
Windsor - 3 round holes in line and descending size
Zunow - hummingbird
6/15/06 edit - added all new and sorted the list. WooHoo!
Baylis - all suits
Bianchi - the letter B,all suits
Bruce Gordon - flames
Carlton - teardrop
Cilo - dovetail
Cinelli - 3 round holes in line and descending size
Ciocc - all suits
Colnago - club
Confente - spade
Cooper - circles
Cornelo - Three leaf clover (a bit streched vertical)
Davidson (Seattle) - 3-lobed shamrock without a stem
De Rosa - heart
Eisentraut - spade
Faggin - the letter F
Gazelle - gazelle (duh!), arrowhead
Grandis - G
Guerciotti - Star
Libertas - Round cutout
Luigi Montagner - LM in a circle
Malvern Star - six-pointed star
Marinonni(canada) - maple leaf, Fleur de Lys, M
Masi (and countless others) - dovetail
Moulton ('70's) - Cloverleaf cutout
Nishiki - Arrowhead, at least.
Ochsner - dovetail (circles on inside fork tangs)
Pinarello - clove
Pogliaghi - diamond
Rauler - club or clover
Raysport - 3 round holes in line and descending sizeRossin - a pentagram surrounding a stylized R
Sachs - all suits
San Rensho - Three Rings
Scapin - three open rings
Somec - tulip
Stan Pike - three leaf clover without a stem
Tommassini - a stylized T
Windsor - 3 round holes in line and descending size
Zunow - hummingbird
Last edited by luker; 06-15-06 at 09:28 PM. Reason: adding to the list
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03-19-06, 10:26 AM
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My Ochsner (supposedly produced by Cilo) has a dovetail on the frame lugs and circles down the inside of the fork blade.
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Bruce Gordon lugs have a flame-like pattern.
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03-19-06, 11:21 AM
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Gazelle - often has the gazelle emblem on the fork crown and sometimes the rear brake bridge.
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dayum, after reading the ID this bike thread I was thinking the same
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To add to your list, some of the older Guerciottis had a star cutout. You may want to expand the list to include the fork crown and brake bridge. Using Guerciotti for an example again, some had G inside a star on the crown. Some also had the G in the star on the brake bridge along with a rider. You are right, this could be a very valuable resource.
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Cornelo - Three leaf clover (a bit streched vertical)
03-21-06, 06:26 AM
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Anyone know the significance of the Pinarello's "clove" cutout? I was never quite sure what the cutout was supposed to resemble.
03-21-06, 07:34 AM
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You say Guerciotti has a star... I saw one with a red clover as lug stampout.. Are you sure?
03-21-06, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by luker
Another clover - san rensho
But a correction: the 3 open rings of San Rensho stands for 3 consecutive wins in a Keirin race, not a clover.
Scapin also used a variation of 3 open circles, sure it didn't mean the same thing to them though
Bianchi used a single capital "B" for a while
and there are a bunch that used a letter or initials such as
Tommassini with the stylized "T"
Luigi Montagner with a "LM" in a circle
fill in all the blanks in my memory, folks!
03-21-06, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by leunkstar
You say Guerciotti has a star... I saw one with a red clover as lug stampout.. Are you sure?
03-25-06, 01:48 AM
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A few more have worked their way to my fore-brain:
Rauler used a stylized club or clover, 3 leaves on a stem, but kind of pointed/triangular...hard to describe
Rossin may have only engraved it in their fork crown, but maybe on lugs too: a pentagon outline with capital "R" inside it
Davidson (Seattle) used a 3-lobed figure like a clover (shamrock) without a stem
Cinelli (who could forget this one) and Windsor copying them: 3 round holes in line and descending size, (sometimes only 2 holes when on a short-point lug)
Rauler used a stylized club or clover, 3 leaves on a stem, but kind of pointed/triangular...hard to describe
Rossin may have only engraved it in their fork crown, but maybe on lugs too: a pentagon outline with capital "R" inside it
Davidson (Seattle) used a 3-lobed figure like a clover (shamrock) without a stem
Cinelli (who could forget this one) and Windsor copying them: 3 round holes in line and descending size, (sometimes only 2 holes when on a short-point lug)
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Originally Posted by unworthy1
A few more have worked their way to my fore-brain:
Rauler used a stylized club or clover, 3 leaves on a stem, but kind of pointed/triangular...hard to describe
Rossin may have only engraved it in their fork crown, but maybe on lugs too: a pentagon outline with capital "R" inside it
Davidson (Seattle) used a 3-lobed figure like a clover (shamrock) without a stem
Cinelli (who could forget this one) and Windsor copying them: 3 round holes in line and descending size, (sometimes only 2 holes when on a short-point lug)
Rauler used a stylized club or clover, 3 leaves on a stem, but kind of pointed/triangular...hard to describe
Rossin may have only engraved it in their fork crown, but maybe on lugs too: a pentagon outline with capital "R" inside it
Davidson (Seattle) used a 3-lobed figure like a clover (shamrock) without a stem
Cinelli (who could forget this one) and Windsor copying them: 3 round holes in line and descending size, (sometimes only 2 holes when on a short-point lug)
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Originally Posted by luker
It is snowing here. No riding for me. I have a garage to clean, so, I do what most people in my situation would do - I went surfing. I pulled together the start of a valuable reference list for old bicycles - the lug cutouts and who they might belong to. I only looked for a little while - add to the post any information you may have about cutouts, please.
......Marinonni(canada) - maple leaf, Fleur de Lys
......Marinonni(canada) - maple leaf, Fleur de Lys
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I have a Gazelle with a kinda arrowhead cutout on the lugs. I'll check the Bates later.
06-02-06, 06:12 AM
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I sometimes used a clover leaf cutout on frames I built in England during the 1970s as did many other framebuilders of that era. It was simple; just drill 3 holes, and the triangular shape lent itself to the shape of the lug. (See below)
Also some Prugnat lugs (Made in France.) came with the arrow head cutouts already in them as seen on this Paris Sport frame I built in 1979.
https://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2...eadtubeCrp.jpg
Also some Prugnat lugs (Made in France.) came with the arrow head cutouts already in them as seen on this Paris Sport frame I built in 1979.
https://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2...eadtubeCrp.jpg
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My circa 1980 Libertas has round holes (circles)
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My 1975 Harry Quinn had cut outs such as shown by Dave Moulton, but only on the top of the three primary lugs. Also had the same cutout under the BB shell. But the Quinn workshop would do almost whatever one ordered, rounded teardrops, holes, etc.
Grandis also used a G for some decoration.
Unfortunately there often is a design progression over time as far as the ornament was concerned.
When I first say what my early GC's lugs looked like BEFORE they were reworked, wow, what a lot of craftwork required to get them to that refined shape. No wonder invenstment cast lugs were accepted so quickly when they became an alternative.
Grandis also used a G for some decoration.
Unfortunately there often is a design progression over time as far as the ornament was concerned.
When I first say what my early GC's lugs looked like BEFORE they were reworked, wow, what a lot of craftwork required to get them to that refined shape. No wonder invenstment cast lugs were accepted so quickly when they became an alternative.
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I have a carlton with tear drop shapped cutouts
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My Caldaro has a stylized "V" that follows the contour of the lug. Not really a symbol so much as just a filled in window:
