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Old 03-18-17, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval
Did a 5 man group ride with 3 of the strongest dudes in the whole of the southeast. 355 TSS in 4:20. Total leg carnage. Two weekends in a row of 350+ rides after never having cracked 330 before. Oh, the pain.
One of the many disadvantages of having a whale manure-level FTP (260-ish) is that a lot of rides that are brisk for the stronger guys are damned near redlined for me. Longer rides and races are often >350 TSS; last Sunday I raced Rouge-Roubaix (105 miles) and I ended up with 410.
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Originally Posted by revchuck
One of the many disadvantages of having a whale manure-level FTP (260-ish) is that a lot of rides that are brisk for the stronger guys are damned near redlined for me. Longer rides and races are often >350 TSS; last Sunday I raced Rouge-Roubaix (105 miles) and I ended up with 410.
Wow. 410 is insane. I'd be wrecked for days.
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval
Wow. 410 is insane. I'd be wrecked for days.
Yup. Monday was a painful hour at recovery pace with fast pedal drills, Tuesday was a rest day, Wednesday was two hours at endurance pace, Thursday was 1:30 at endurance pace with the middle 30 minutes at SST, yesterday was 1:30 at the low end of endurance pace, today was a two hour brisk group ride. Today was the first day my legs didn't hurt since last Sunday.
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Originally Posted by revchuck
One of the many disadvantages of having a whale manure-level FTP (260-ish) is that a lot of rides that are brisk for the stronger guys are damned near redlined for me. Longer rides and races are often >350 TSS; last Sunday I raced Rouge-Roubaix (105 miles) and I ended up with 410.
Haha, welcome to my world. Even though Im generally riding shorter distances now than I used to, I still pop off TSS numbers like that on most rides over 85 miles, I even do that solo sometimes on a regular training ride if I just put my head down get into multi-hour TT mode.
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Old 03-18-17, 05:29 PM
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Yesterday morning was my final PT appointment, and boy did she work me over. Crippling DOMS in my glutes and hamstrings today. Still dragged myself over to my trainer and put in 1.5 hours with 3x20 tempo. CTL finally cracked 30, which is nice.
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Old 03-18-17, 06:40 PM
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2.5 hours rolling terrain. Should have been 5.

The average of 5 days off the bike each week for the last month straight is getting laughably hard to sustain with new and interesting acts of self destruction. My only recourse has been seeing the amount of pain you other nuts are putting yourselves through.
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Old 03-18-17, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by revchuck
One of the many disadvantages of having a whale manure-level FTP (260-ish) is that a lot of rides that are brisk for the stronger guys are damned near redlined for me. Longer rides and races are often >350 TSS; last Sunday I raced Rouge-Roubaix (105 miles) and I ended up with 410.
I think that means your FTP is set too low.

I assume you tested at some point and it came out to 260-ish, but it could be that you're bad at testing..
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After switching to the Zipp aero bars that have less reach & drop than my (non-aero) Rotundo's, I put on a 140mm -17* stem to get my hands back to where they were.

Sprint feels way more natural now, but the bars are a bit low. Maybe a 140 -6* would be better.. but I'll try to get used to this one for now.
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Old 03-19-17, 09:11 AM
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Aww yea 140 -17 master race represent!
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I run a 140 and the height difference between a -17 and -6 is huge. I settled on a PRO Vibe 7s -10.

Just shy of 3 hours on a team ride. They refused to let me fight me and claw off the back in the wind until suffering the demoralizing realization they were no longer in sight. It hurt so I'm chalking it up as a success.
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Old 03-19-17, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Aww yea 140 -17 master race represent!
I'm not if it's sadder that you consider me a masters racer or that I actually do qualify for masters racing =]

But I do p/1/2 dammit!
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Old 03-20-17, 05:36 AM
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I'm not if it's sadder that you consider me a masters racer or that I actually do qualify for masters racing =]
Not often that a nazi joke gets misread as an age joke.
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Old 03-20-17, 06:57 AM
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My fitter suggested I try going back to a 110 because I have a rather short torso for my height and he thinks I could probably go down a size in frame. (I'm not sure I really could handle the shorter head tube though.)

Anyway, I don't think I like it. I think I much prefer the 120 I'm running. Even thought it really has me stretched out, I feel more comfortable.

And I think the bigger issue is I ride differently on the trainer/rollers than on the road. I really noticed it during a race on Saturday. On the rollers and trainers, I tend to lean on the bars a lot, and I end up hunching my shoulders. But when I'm on the road going hard, I tend to get really low, roll my shoulders forward and completely relax my arms. And even though the 120 is really stretching me out, I almost feel crammed on the bike at that point. It's weird.
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I run a 140 -17. I'm all limbs and it works really well for my lanky arms.
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Old 03-20-17, 08:51 AM
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My coach followed up Saturday's thing with 4.75hrs + 4x15 SS and I am totally empty. I got in 45min in zone but couldn't bring myself to suffer through the final one. Don't tell the dude that knows your physical capabilities to crack you, he will succeed in doing so.
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Stated lengths can vary widely. Offsets trend a bit closer between brands.

Frame design ultimately decides it, but if I could get by with a 110 it would really open up a lot of otherwise unavailable options. Frames designed around long stems don't have as sharp of handling with shorter ones though. Maybe your fitter knows something more than it looks like on the surface. At some point in the last 15 years a few UCI pros did fairly well with a positive rise stem instead of worrying about looking correct.
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Old 03-20-17, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by topflightpro
My fitter suggested I try going back to a 110 because I have a rather short torso for my height and he thinks I could probably go down a size in frame. (I'm not sure I really could handle the shorter head tube though.)

Anyway, I don't think I like it. I think I much prefer the 120 I'm running. Even thought it really has me stretched out, I feel more comfortable.

And I think the bigger issue is I ride differently on the trainer/rollers than on the road. I really noticed it during a race on Saturday. On the rollers and trainers, I tend to lean on the bars a lot, and I end up hunching my shoulders. But when I'm on the road going hard, I tend to get really low, roll my shoulders forward and completely relax my arms. And even though the 120 is really stretching me out, I almost feel crammed on the bike at that point. It's weird.
I posted this somewhere else, but look at women's sized frames like Synapse Carbon Cannondale Bicycles These are shorter TT. I think from a marketing standpoint they may want to re-brand and call them shorter TT bikes.
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Ugh ... rain in the forecast, but I guess that's best time for me to be laid up with a pretty unpleasant saddle sore.
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Originally Posted by revchuck
One of the many disadvantages of having a whale manure-level FTP (260-ish) is that a lot of rides that are brisk for the stronger guys are damned near redlined for me. Longer rides and races are often >350 TSS; last Sunday I raced Rouge-Roubaix (105 miles) and I ended up with 410.
Rouge Roubaix is a different animal (100 mile race) esp this one was muddy, slopy muddy hills so you end up using more power than normal race.
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Originally Posted by topflightpro
My fitter suggested I try going back to a 110 because I have a rather short torso for my height and he thinks I could probably go down a size in frame. (I'm not sure I really could handle the shorter head tube though.)

Anyway, I don't think I like it. I think I much prefer the 120 I'm running. Even thought it really has me stretched out, I feel more comfortable.

And I think the bigger issue is I ride differently on the trainer/rollers than on the road. I really noticed it during a race on Saturday. On the rollers and trainers, I tend to lean on the bars a lot, and I end up hunching my shoulders. But when I'm on the road going hard, I tend to get really low, roll my shoulders forward and completely relax my arms. And even though the 120 is really stretching me out, I almost feel crammed on the bike at that point. It's weird.
I'm in the same boat. I've always opted for longer and feeling stretched out while cruising because otherwise I feel too scrunched when sprinting. It's a compromise.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
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It took me like five reads but I finally got this joke, lol
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I put in 6 hours on the bike last week. My goal for this week is another 6 hours. Consistency, slow improvement, and weight loss are my goals. Currently about 180 FTP and 194#s. Heaviest I've been in my life and probably the weakest I've ever been. Full time work, Full time school, and getting married in 3 months will do that.
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2.5 hours LSD because it was 60 whole Fahrenheit degrees outside. Which when taken in concert with 3-4 days of rain this week overruled taking a full rest day.
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Old 03-20-17, 08:33 PM
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2x30' sweet spot. Over 80 tss for first time in a long time.
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4 interval days last week out of 6 days, and today was a 7x5x1 at 100% day. pedaled squares.
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