Info on English bike w/ campag. 4spd?
04-09-11, 06:35 PM
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Info on English bike w/ campag. 4spd?
Anyone got an idea of the maker of this frame or recognize the headtube or seat tube logos?
Lots of photos here
https://s1187.photobucket.com/albums/...h%204%20speed/
Bottom bracket says made in England.
Dropouts say cyclo which as far as i can workout is for some sort of derailer system (hence the weird spike on the dropouts, but why would it also have it on the non-drive side?) which seems to have been replaced at some stage by the campagnolo unit.
The rear hub has a 4 speed freewheel on one side and is threaded for a fixed cog on the other.
You can see the previous owner had wired the shifter into one gear. I have only had a quick look but it seems because the only cable stop is the cable butting up against the shifter it doesn't work too well. The cable moves around too much. Does anyone run this same set-up, where are you using a cable stop/s?
I'm guessing the number ending in 64 on the seat tube area is the year?
The colour of the frame makes it look in worse condition than it is, its actually quite decent so should clean up ok. The bars, stem, lights,pedals etc. are obviously going in the bin to be replaced by a set of drops and just a front caliper brake. I'll relace the hubs to decent rims.
On a somewhat related topic, i'm 90% sure someone on this forum posted a link recently to a manufacturers website that made stainless steel 27 inch(630mm) rims. No, i'm not considering them for this bike but i've searched and trawled and can't find the link, anyone?
Lots of photos here
https://s1187.photobucket.com/albums/...h%204%20speed/
Bottom bracket says made in England.
Dropouts say cyclo which as far as i can workout is for some sort of derailer system (hence the weird spike on the dropouts, but why would it also have it on the non-drive side?) which seems to have been replaced at some stage by the campagnolo unit.
The rear hub has a 4 speed freewheel on one side and is threaded for a fixed cog on the other.
You can see the previous owner had wired the shifter into one gear. I have only had a quick look but it seems because the only cable stop is the cable butting up against the shifter it doesn't work too well. The cable moves around too much. Does anyone run this same set-up, where are you using a cable stop/s?
I'm guessing the number ending in 64 on the seat tube area is the year?
The colour of the frame makes it look in worse condition than it is, its actually quite decent so should clean up ok. The bars, stem, lights,pedals etc. are obviously going in the bin to be replaced by a set of drops and just a front caliper brake. I'll relace the hubs to decent rims.
On a somewhat related topic, i'm 90% sure someone on this forum posted a link recently to a manufacturers website that made stainless steel 27 inch(630mm) rims. No, i'm not considering them for this bike but i've searched and trawled and can't find the link, anyone?
04-09-11, 06:48 PM
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I don't know much about Campy derailleurs, but according to the disraeli gears website, it was introduced in 1963. It has one jockey wheel, is that right? Derailleurs with one jockey wheel are famous for not working very well.
And your frame may be a lot older. I've seen those dropouts on bikes from the 30's or so.
Your brakes are much newer and are probably pretty junky.
As for a date, you're in luck. Your Williams crank has a date code on the back of each piece-- back of each arm, and the chain ring. The date code stamp looks like a dagger with some letters. Google "Williams cank date code" and you'll figure it out.
Dunlop Special Lightweight rims came in both chromed steel and stainless steel, but they haven't been made in almost 40 years, so you're going to have a hard time finding them.
Have you looked at the classic lightweights website? Look at the photos of bikes there, you may get lucky and recognize the decal on yours. It's distinctive enough that you should have no trouble. I don't recognize it, but I'm no expert on these things.
And your frame may be a lot older. I've seen those dropouts on bikes from the 30's or so.
Your brakes are much newer and are probably pretty junky.
As for a date, you're in luck. Your Williams crank has a date code on the back of each piece-- back of each arm, and the chain ring. The date code stamp looks like a dagger with some letters. Google "Williams cank date code" and you'll figure it out.
Dunlop Special Lightweight rims came in both chromed steel and stainless steel, but they haven't been made in almost 40 years, so you're going to have a hard time finding them.
Have you looked at the classic lightweights website? Look at the photos of bikes there, you may get lucky and recognize the decal on yours. It's distinctive enough that you should have no trouble. I don't recognize it, but I'm no expert on these things.
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04-09-11, 07:20 PM
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It has one jockey wheel, is that right? Derailleurs with one jockey wheel are famous for not working very well.
Your brakes are much newer and are probably pretty junky.
As for a date, you're in luck. Your Williams crank has a date code on the back of each piece-- back of each arm, and the chain ring. The date code stamp looks like a dagger with some letters. Google "Williams cank date code" and you'll figure it out.
Dunlop Special Lightweight rims came in both chromed steel and stainless steel, but they haven't been made in almost 40 years, so you're going to have a hard time finding them.
Have you looked at the classic lightweights website? Look at the photos of bikes there, you may get lucky and recognize the decal on yours. It's distinctive enough that you should have no trouble. I don't recognize it, but I'm no expert on these things.
Your brakes are much newer and are probably pretty junky.
As for a date, you're in luck. Your Williams crank has a date code on the back of each piece-- back of each arm, and the chain ring. The date code stamp looks like a dagger with some letters. Google "Williams cank date code" and you'll figure it out.
Dunlop Special Lightweight rims came in both chromed steel and stainless steel, but they haven't been made in almost 40 years, so you're going to have a hard time finding them.
Have you looked at the classic lightweights website? Look at the photos of bikes there, you may get lucky and recognize the decal on yours. It's distinctive enough that you should have no trouble. I don't recognize it, but I'm no expert on these things.
Yes, the brakes are rubbish.
Will do.
The link was a current website with a photo of the rim and size options, one of which was 630mm. I'm sure i'm not imagining things, although its possible.
Looking now.
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I've seen that stem on Raleighs and Hercules from the 20's
