Is There A Reason That Mountain & Bike Handlebar Diameters Are Different?
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Is There A Reason That Mountain & Road Bike Handlebar Diameters Are Different?
See the graphic - is there a reason that they are different? Or is it just because?
In the grip part road is 23.8 and mountain is 22.2.
Makes it difficult to move parts around from mountain to road and vice versa.
In the grip part road is 23.8 and mountain is 22.2.
Makes it difficult to move parts around from mountain to road and vice versa.
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Road bars receive tape whereas MTB, BMX etc receive thicker grips. The resulting thickness is generally similar.
Different folks like different levels of tape thickness too on road bars but the base diameter needs to be as it is to accommodate 1.8mm tape and still be a decent diameter for grip, hence greater diameter. Some will use thicker tape for more comfort if they want.
Different folks like different levels of tape thickness too on road bars but the base diameter needs to be as it is to accommodate 1.8mm tape and still be a decent diameter for grip, hence greater diameter. Some will use thicker tape for more comfort if they want.
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“they, They, THEY!!!!” Omg, guys, loosen up the tinfoil. No big conspiracy.
25.4 (not 26.0, unless you’re French) was the clamp size when bikes were based around the 1” threaded headsets.
Once the 31.8mm threadless became standard, bar clamps moved to 31.8 along with it. That was like 20 years ago, so it’s not like it was something that ‘just happened.’
Grip diameter is a whole other thing. MTB straight bars are typically used with a thick rubber grip, so the bar tube is thinner, to keep from making the grip too fat.
Road bars are usually taped, which is a thinner layer than MTB grips, ergo, the bar is a bigger diameter.
Besides; the form and function of most of the controls ( brakes and shifter) don’t really work if you go from flat bar to drop bar, so WTBD?
25.4 (not 26.0, unless you’re French) was the clamp size when bikes were based around the 1” threaded headsets.
Once the 31.8mm threadless became standard, bar clamps moved to 31.8 along with it. That was like 20 years ago, so it’s not like it was something that ‘just happened.’
Grip diameter is a whole other thing. MTB straight bars are typically used with a thick rubber grip, so the bar tube is thinner, to keep from making the grip too fat.
Road bars are usually taped, which is a thinner layer than MTB grips, ergo, the bar is a bigger diameter.
Besides; the form and function of most of the controls ( brakes and shifter) don’t really work if you go from flat bar to drop bar, so WTBD?
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What the guys above said. Drop bar brake levers from the 1920s will fit on road Handlebars from the 2020s. The brake and shift levers that were used on the original mountain bikes in the 1970s will work on the same handlebars installed in the latest Santa Cruz Hightower. The bit that has changed is the clamp diameter.
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There is only 1.6mm difference between the road and mountain bar grip area diameter. This is dumb except to make sure you can't move parts back and forth.
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Try dealing with 50 years of quill stems and handlebars. Modern stuff (threadless stems with faceplates) are easy by comparison.
I'm working on an 1987 Schwinn Circuit. It comes with Cinelli stem and bars. So the quill diameter is standard 22.2 (not French 22.0), but I'd prefer ~1cm shorter reach. The current stem: 115cm quill type with 26.4mm clamp. Yup, Cinelli's 26.4 because, why?
So I'll spend nearly $60 for a particular Cinelli quill stem.... and so it goes. And I'll have to remove the bars and unwrap one side, because quill...
I'm working on an 1987 Schwinn Circuit. It comes with Cinelli stem and bars. So the quill diameter is standard 22.2 (not French 22.0), but I'd prefer ~1cm shorter reach. The current stem: 115cm quill type with 26.4mm clamp. Yup, Cinelli's 26.4 because, why?
So I'll spend nearly $60 for a particular Cinelli quill stem.... and so it goes. And I'll have to remove the bars and unwrap one side, because quill...
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Maybe someone will come along with better history on this than I have, but I think you should look at the early days of mountain biking and those clunkers of Marin County and so on.
Remember their big gnarly brake levers? Huge alloy jobs that held all your fingers with a curlique knob to spare? I'm guessing those were borrowed from motorcycles, which have a common 7/8" bar size. Of course, 7/8" is 22.2 mm.
So if you were Gary Fisher or whoever, and you wanted to start making mountain bikes, having a handlebar that fit in the quill stems available that could take motorcyle style brake levers, you ended up with a 25.4 mm to 22.2 mm handlebar. Tooling up, or contracting out, to do that would be a lot easier than launching a new component, like a new brake lever line.
I'd be happy to read a better history, as this is just a semi-informed guess.
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Also, this is why lights, computer mounts, accessories etc all come with extra spacers; so you can install them on mountain or road bikes.
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You know what they say about "standards:" the best thing about them is that you have so many to choose from!
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What parts do you think can be moved between road and mountain bikes? Mountain brake levers and shift levers won’t work on the curved bar of a road bike. You can use road levers on flat bars if you wan’t but they aren’t optimum. Outside of not fitting well on different bars, modern mountain and road shift and brake levers aren’t compatible with the drivetrain and brake components.
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Quill stem diameters that I've seen: 26.4 mm (old Cinelli), 26.0 mm, 25.8 mm (old 3TTT), 25.4 mm, 25.0 mm (old French) 22.0 mm and 24.0 on old Raleighs with steel bars, e.g. Sports.
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The best rule is: Know the dimensions of the parts on your bike, and take a caliper with you when shopping for parts. And don't forget pull ratios for brake and shift systems.
The different diameter standards predate the mountain bike.
The different diameter standards predate the mountain bike.
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Thank goodness all 26" tires are interchangeable.
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Modern mountain and road shift and brake levers are compatible with the drivetrain and brake components.
https://blog.3t.bike/2019/09/12028/g...s-drivetrains/
You can also mix and match some di2 components.
https://www.cxmagazine.com/mechanica...train-shifters
https://blog.3t.bike/2019/09/12028/g...s-drivetrains/
You can also mix and match some di2 components.
https://www.cxmagazine.com/mechanica...train-shifters
As for Di2, how many people are going to have those?
And, finally, there is also the issue of mountain shift and brake levers won’t work on curved bars.
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You know what else annoys me? They made it so that I can't move my mountain bike wheels and tires over to my road bike. There is no reason extra room can't be built into road frames.
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Please provide some data that supports your contention that SRAM's market share is "fairly small." Please be specific by market - road, gravel/cross, and MTB.
I also don’t see SRAM road components on bikes that we work on. I can tell you that most anything that comes into the shop I’m asked about and SRAM road just doesn’t come up.
Finally, if someone wanted to run AXS mtb shifters on "curved bars" they certainly could run them on the flats. That would be pretty goofy since you can already run Blips to shift.
p.s. to answer your question, many people run Di2.
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I understand the lack of compatibility between brands, brake pull, etc... but that being said I have seen brifters on flat bar bikes. I have also seen mountain style brake levers on the flat portion of road bars in addition to the brifters. How they got this to work, I don't know.
I saw a video recently on Youtube where a bike mechanic explained that very thing - people want to turn their road bikes into gravel bikes but they can't because there is not enough room to fit the tires. There is just no room for anything but the skinny road racing tires.
I thought thats kind of dumb as well, it limits the versatility of the bike. I have an old Trek 750 Multitrack and it as 32mm tires but can take all the way up to something like 45 or something crazy. It has tons of room.
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No, you're wrong again. I even provided a link in my previous reply. Shimano road and MTB is compatible - Di2. Read, or watch the linked video here once again:
https://www.cxmagazine.com/mechanica...train-shifters
Thank you for admitting that your claim is only based on your limited experience working at a co-op. The reality is that the market is much different than you describe it.
Yeah, you're missing the point. You don't need mountain shifters to actuate mountain derailleurs with Di2 or AXS. They can work with road shifters...
https://www.cxmagazine.com/mechanica...train-shifters
Thank you for admitting that your claim is only based on your limited experience working at a co-op. The reality is that the market is much different than you describe it.
Yeah, you're missing the point. You don't need mountain shifters to actuate mountain derailleurs with Di2 or AXS. They can work with road shifters...
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The problem is if you designed one bike to do everything it would be a pretty bad bike.
Just throwing wide tires on any road bike doesn’t make it a good gravel bike.
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Just throwing wide tires on any road bike doesn’t make it a good gravel bike.
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From what I understand is that 31.8 became standard with the need for stronger bars in mountain biking. Road bars followed to take advantage of the carbon bars coming out?