Resigned to just using tubes this year instead of going tubeless
04-13-23, 08:40 PM
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So have you ever tried a GP5000 or equivalent tire in tubeless or with a latex tube?
04-14-23, 07:26 AM
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04-14-23, 08:44 AM
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Personally I think we ought to be able to at least agree what the extremes are. The Plus and a nice racing tubeless are pretty much polar opposites. You can like or dislike either, but it is hard to deny what they are. With the more middle of the road tires it gets muddy especially when the intended usage puts particular demands on the tire.
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04-14-23, 08:49 AM
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If you can't tell the difference, then I can't help you.
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And the last thing I need is any help from you (not being facetious).
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Is that a hot or cold garden hose? In my experience with garden hoses, their performance varies widely depending on their temperature.
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Seriously--is this how you talk in real life? If so, it must suck to hang out at a bar with you.
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Unfortunately, this is not C&V where reality, facts and civility are suspended whenever a contrarian view is put forward. Attacking just for the sake of it is generally frowned upon and called out.
04-18-23, 11:13 PM
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Even then, just having to stop for a moment to pump 30 psi would be better than having to pull the wheel off, remove the tube, find the offending object, put the new tube in, pump it back up from ZERO, and put the wheel back on.
But my experience is that most punctures aren't even noticeable and your only clue is maybe seeing a tiny bit of dried sealant where the puncture was. To date, I have had 2 flats that required me to add air, and one of them was ok to ride to the rest stop first (the other was a solo ride).
Now I have heard horror stories about larger punctures that spray the rider and bike with goo, and how messy it is to put a tube inside a tire with a pool of sealant in it, so I can definitely see that as turning some people away. Plus the hassle of refreshing the sealant every month or two. For me, the reduced down time repairing flats won me over.
But my experience is that most punctures aren't even noticeable and your only clue is maybe seeing a tiny bit of dried sealant where the puncture was. To date, I have had 2 flats that required me to add air, and one of them was ok to ride to the rest stop first (the other was a solo ride).
Now I have heard horror stories about larger punctures that spray the rider and bike with goo, and how messy it is to put a tube inside a tire with a pool of sealant in it, so I can definitely see that as turning some people away. Plus the hassle of refreshing the sealant every month or two. For me, the reduced down time repairing flats won me over.
Not yet. I'm fine.
04-18-23, 11:24 PM
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Yeah, except back then (when I was installing Slime into customers' tubes) we didn't know how and there were no youtube tutorials. Probably took me more trial and error than it should have, but I eventually figured out how to do it without making a gooey mess.
It was a tongue-in-cheek joke about how long ago that discovery was, but glad to see you still kickin', old codger!
It was a tongue-in-cheek joke about how long ago that discovery was, but glad to see you still kickin', old codger!
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One of the main advantages I find with tubeless tyres is when a puncture is too big for sealant alone to cope with. Just fire in a Dynaplug and you are back in the game without removing the wheel/tyre. I can't imagine plugs would work with slime filled tubes. They would only seal the tyre casing and not the punctured tube. So for that reason (and the weight/bulk of a slime filled tube) I would never consider them a viable alternative to modern tubeless tyres.
But I guess you were just being flippant right?
But I guess you were just being flippant right?
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04-19-23, 05:29 AM
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Think of how ludicrous this is: I'm willing to bet that 100% of the people using tubeless have used (and most are probably still using, on some bikes) inner tubes. In other words, they have experience with BOTH systems, and are choosing to continue using tubeless. People like Leisesturm , who admit to NEVER EVEN TRYING tubeless, nonetheless feel compelled to proclaim to the rest of us that it "offers no benefits" and that they don't seal punctures well enough to complete rides -- even though many of us have DIRECT EXPERIENCE of that exact thing happening. I mean, people really should feel silly for writing such hogwash. Oh, but it's the internet -- where people double-down on easily-refuted nonsense.
Anyway, I've used tubed tyres for decades (still using them on a couple of family bikes) and prefer tubeless whatever anyone (especially with little or no experience) may say about them.
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04-19-23, 09:19 AM
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04-19-23, 09:28 AM
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My new road tubeless foray is relatively recent thing. I carry one TPU (space is scarce) tube and starting to carry the Dynaplug darts. I suspect it will not be very easy to put a tube in and reinstall a tubeless tire. That is my main concern. I'd prefer to plug it and CO2 up the tire. With these thinner carbon rims, I'd hate to use a tire lever with any force so the tube thing freaks me out a bit.
As for lever force, you're freaking out over a non-issue. I've never used more lever force than I have while mounting certain tubeless tires. I've never had even a hint of a problem. Carbon rims are tougher than you think.
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I've had to install a tube twice on my road bike (sidewalls slashes), and once on a MTB (26" ghetto tubeless setup). It really wasn't a big deal on any of them.
As for lever force, you're freaking out over a non-issue. I've never used more lever force than I have while mounting certain tubeless tires. I've never had even a hint of a problem. Carbon rims are tougher than you think.
As for lever force, you're freaking out over a non-issue. I've never used more lever force than I have while mounting certain tubeless tires. I've never had even a hint of a problem. Carbon rims are tougher than you think.
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Have you ever heard of this actually happening to someone, or is it just your feeling that CF is a fragile material? I have snapped a few plastic tire levers in half while battling tire installations, but have never damaged a CF rim in that process.
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Have not heard of it but I also don't know many guys using carbon hookless. I managed to get the somewhat-tight Specialized tires on without a lever. It is just me thinking they may be a bit fragile. I have rarely had to use a lever on the othe r 5-6bikes I have that are tubeless but the MTB ones have hookless beads that are pretty thick so I never worry about them.
04-19-23, 12:54 PM
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This would be a completely false statement. But you don't know what you don't know.
What hassle? What mess? Install a tubeless valve stem and tubeless tape, mount tire and air it up. Unscrew valve core and add sealant. Reinstall valve core and air tire up.
You know what's a hassle? Having to stop in the middle of a ride, due to a punctured tube, and then having to repair the hole on the tube or change to new tube and hoping the new tube lasts for the rest of the ride. With tubeless it seals right up and you can continue riding.
it's just not worth the hassle of having to deal with messy sealant, leaks and all kinds of other tubeless specific crap which is required...I use tires with puncture protection and I don't get a lot of flats with tubes so that's what I will continue to use.
You know what's a hassle? Having to stop in the middle of a ride, due to a punctured tube, and then having to repair the hole on the tube or change to new tube and hoping the new tube lasts for the rest of the ride. With tubeless it seals right up and you can continue riding.