Disc brakes are great!
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Is your disc brake better today? Yes of course it is. How about if you leave your bike in the shed for say 40 years? Will it still be OK? I have three bikes that are nearly 40 years old and their brakes are all working still.
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Because the fluids would have leaked out and probably made a mess on the floor.
You might now. I'm just saying one is designed to last the ages and the other is not. You've heard the phrase 'heirloom quality' right?
You might now. I'm just saying one is designed to last the ages and the other is not. You've heard the phrase 'heirloom quality' right?
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I have nothing against disc brakes; they make a lot of sense especially for technical off-road riding. But rim brakes are perfectly fine for most riding conditions, and don't require me to buy a new frame and fork.
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If it's in there for 40 years, I clearly DGAF about the brakes.
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Because it was decided to run the front calipers behind the fork so when you brake, the disc and hence the hub is forced down. And out of traditional dropouts. Not entirely rational engineering. (Sophomore engineering students have the force mapping skills to see this. The bright ones got this by 10th grade on their own.)
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I've never thought about how useful something stored in a shed will be 40 years from now when I'm making a purchase. I'm going to keep on not thinking about it.
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You missed the point of the thread, which might merely mean that you have missed some other recent threads about disc brakes -- and if so, consider yourself fortunate.
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Disc brakes for most people are a major improvement. There are still many bicycles with rim brakes and 130mm rear hubs for those that don't need or want them.
It is weird how people make up problems, instead of bringing up the genuine quibbles (eg: cost, especially of frequently replaced brake pads).
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Disc brakes cost more and the pads need to be replaced more frequently.
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The 40 year shed storage test is a novel disc brake issue I haven’t seen previously 😂. I’m sure there will be other gems in this thread too.
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...in interest of contributing to this discussion topic, I e-mailed a request to my marketing guys, to workshop it.
It turns out that there's already an ad campaign we can piggy back on, but we do have to modify the product slightly.
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(And it's probably going to be expensive to license from Kellogg's. I don't want to sugarcoat it.)
...in interest of contributing to this discussion topic, I e-mailed a request to my marketing guys, to workshop it.
It turns out that there's already an ad campaign we can piggy back on, but we do have to modify the product slightly.
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(And it's probably going to be expensive to license from Kellogg's. I don't want to sugarcoat it.)
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The First World bike industry is in trouble. Post-pandemic inventory overhang and dropping sales. Competition from Asia for direct sales to customers, and new groupsets such as Sensah and LTWOO. Internet sales, on even expensive items such as bikes are becoming ubiquitous and accepted by customers.
What the First World bike industry needs to do:
What the First World bike industry needs to do:
- Make bikes difficult to work on for a weekend warrior. Introduce complex proprietary tools for undertaking basic maintenance. Hydraulic discs and electronics are great because they lock most riders back to a shop for what used to be simple maintenance. Internal cable routing: a windfall! It looks kewl and saves 0.001 watts on the road, but it allows a shop to hand a $300 bill to a customer for a stem swap.
- Introduce new transitory ‘features’ on bikes, like aero fins on 1950s cars. Like suspension elements on road bikes. Or discs, which are heavy, fussy and unnecessary.
- Change over the fleet: Introduce different dimensional standards which will render the previous generations of bikes obsolete and useless. Like wheel sizes and widths and attachment standards. Plus different bottom bracket standards and cassette systems. Note the success of how the 26” MTB wheel standard was replaced by the 29-er through a rare coordinated and concerted effort by the entire First World bike industry. Then the 27.5” standard had to be introduced because the 29er was a mistake for many riders. Of course, the industry could never ever go back to 26”. Nope.
- Introduce an integrated supply chain direct from manufacturer to retail customer. Buy up the independents and lock customers into one single brand, particularly for servicing, where the money actually is. There is no money in selling $300 hybrids, but there is profit in selling an expensive bike to a platinum card holder. Then, due to difficult to service proprietary parts, the weekend warrior is locked to you for frequent ‘servicing’ - forever. Basically, a subscription service.
- In addition to changing the bike fleet over frequently by introducing new ‘standards’, also choke off the supply of replacement parts for bikes over 5 years old. Customer walks into a shop looking for a 10-speed derailleur… “This hasn’t been made in 10 years! We cannot source this. Let me show you some newer bikes!”
- Hire a cadre of social media sycophants and influencers to rag on anyone or entity who challenges the above strategy.