Help with Colnago Sport
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I don't recall ever seeing a Superia this nice, but I certainly haven't seen them all. I have seen nice Plums, but I am not familiar enough with those. English threading points towards Belgium rather than Italy, although I have just bought an Italian frame with English threads ...
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I don't recall ever seeing a Superia this nice, but I certainly haven't seen them all. I have seen nice Plums, but I am not familiar enough with those. English threading points towards Belgium rather than Italy, although I have just bought an Italian frame with English threads ...
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Nuovo Record The frame is 126 cm. Today I took off the shifters and all cable guides from the frame, weighted it again and now is 2000 grams but I am using a cheap bathroom scale. I will buy today a kitchen scale and see the real weight again. I looked all over the frame hoping I'll find some numbers stamped, but nothing yet. Also I looked for some hints on the fork, all I got was a V written on the tube.
I took two more pictures from inside BB and seat tube. There is bright red. Probably the original color of the frame.
I took two more pictures from inside BB and seat tube. There is bright red. Probably the original color of the frame.
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I use one of those digital luggage scales, I bought several and they all showed the same for a number of things I weighed as tests so they are consistent at least, likely pretty accurate considering the current state of electronic sensor tech. The one I got has a short loop of string on one end, a big enough hook at the other, and after you take the frame off the hook it holds the reading.
And they're cheap.
And they're cheap.
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Weighted the frame with a kitchen scale ( oneclick I didn't found a luggage scale near my home) and the result is 2017 grams for the frame, without the fork. With the fork it has 2751 grams.
Pretty disappointed that is not a Colnago Sport. Still hope we can find the manufacturer as I think is still a good frame.
Pretty disappointed that is not a Colnago Sport. Still hope we can find the manufacturer as I think is still a good frame.
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Weighted the frame with a kitchen scale ( oneclick I didn't found a luggage scale near my home) and the result is 2017 grams for the frame, without the fork. With the fork it has 2751 grams.
Pretty disappointed that is not a Colnago Sport. Still hope we can find the manufacturer as I think is still a good frame.
Pretty disappointed that is not a Colnago Sport. Still hope we can find the manufacturer as I think is still a good frame.
I don't think you should be too disappointed. It looks like a very nice frame. Hopefully the team will get to the bottom of it what it is. And you would be forgiven for keeping the Colnago decals on there and riding it as is.
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Weighted the frame with a kitchen scale ( oneclick I didn't found a luggage scale near my home) and the result is 2017 grams for the frame, without the fork. With the fork it has 2751 grams.
Pretty disappointed that is not a Colnago Sport. Still hope we can find the manufacturer as I think is still a good frame.
Pretty disappointed that is not a Colnago Sport. Still hope we can find the manufacturer as I think is still a good frame.
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2,017 grams for the frame still seems a bit heavy to me but my frames are smaller. Maybe someone with a frame of the same height could weigh his and indicate the frame material?
Your frame looks similar to a 1977/78 Colnago Super I once had, but that one had Colnago strokes and clovers engraved. Also the decals were different.
Your frame was once red, and underneath the blue "Colnago" paint it still is. Strip that blue paint with chemicals, and you might see some old brand name.
Your frame looks similar to a 1977/78 Colnago Super I once had, but that one had Colnago strokes and clovers engraved. Also the decals were different.
Your frame was once red, and underneath the blue "Colnago" paint it still is. Strip that blue paint with chemicals, and you might see some old brand name.
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Interesting. Isn't the filed flat on the steerer a typically French trademark?
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it is a Belgian frame made in Burgundy...the frame builder spoke Italian and the frame was shipped to Netherlands for painting.
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Then sold in Germany. Well, Hugo Rickert from Dortmund built with Reynolds, and some of his frames had "English" bottom bracket shells. He engraved his "R" symbol on the fork-crown but maybe not (or not always) on the frame.
Have you all seen my other "frame-teller" thread...?
Have you all seen my other "frame-teller" thread...?
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Then sold in Germany. Well, Hugo Rickert from Dortmund built with Reynolds, and some of his frames had "English" bottom bracket shells. He engraved his "R" symbol on the fork-crown but maybe not (or not always) on the frame.
Have you all seen my other "frame-teller" thread...?
Have you all seen my other "frame-teller" thread...?
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A regular paint stripper will do it. I wouldn´t sandblast the frame.
Are you really sure your bottom bracket shell is "English"? How wide is it, 68 mm or 70 mm?
Here is a website that specialises in Italian frames:
https://www.frameteller.it/
Are you really sure your bottom bracket shell is "English"? How wide is it, 68 mm or 70 mm?
Here is a website that specialises in Italian frames:
https://www.frameteller.it/
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This should be "English". Does the fork have a matching thread?
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I had at home a Campagnolo Nuovo Record headset 25.4 x 24F and I was able to screw it on the fork thread. I believe that 25.4 x 24F is an Italian thread but 1″ x 24 tpi - British would be the same size, so it can be Italian or British, but not French (25 x 1).
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An "Italian" headset would screw on an "English" fork, too, if you try a little harder. The threads are quite similar. If you can find an "English" headset, try that one as well.
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I kept looking to find the builder of this frame and after some time I found that 1977 Raleigh Professional Mk V seems to match. It has the same lugs, same dropouts, same braze-on cable guides, English BB and fork thread, same fork crown and also the same original blue color. Does anybody owns the Raleigh bike to tell me if is really the same? Raleigh has Reynolds 531 tubing.
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I suggest you start another thread with a different headline to catch the attention of the Raleigh cognoscenti here.