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Doubt away. My reading, independent tests, and my experience bring me to a different conclusion. I pay what I pay for the products I buy because I believe they work. I believe what I do because I've read the independent studies, multiple reviews, talked to cyclists I know, and I've been riding long enough to have tried a variety of products to form a baseline opinion. This isn't simply a case of "we all have opinions", but rather a case of "the available evidence points to a particular conclusion."
I, too, have ridden long enough to a tried all kinds of (bad) products to form a baseline opinion. I have read reviews and take reviews with a very large grain of salt. I’ve talked to other cyclists and I’ve only found a few on-line who have ever claimed more than a few thousand miles on any chain with any kind of lubrication product. Not one person in real life has claimed to get more than about 3500 miles (±500 miles) out of a chain no mater what they use.
In short, I don’t find any “evidence” that points to a wild claim of 25,000 mile service life of a chain.
With all that said, I'm glad you're happy with your Gulf paraffin wax.
Finally, it’s a chain. Chains are going to wear out no matter what you do to them. Spending lots of money on chains or on chain lubricants really isn’t going to change that equation much.
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Probably about as much as NanoPlatelet WS2 Tungsten Di-Sulfide does
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I don't believe that number has come up in my posts. Even josh Poertner doesn't use that number. Discrediting an entire argument based on a hyperbolic number (present without attribution or context) doesn't boost your credibility.
Have a great day. Or don't. Your call.
Have a great day. Or don't. Your call.
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I believe in using wax. I use wax. I just don’t think it is magic.
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At the end of the day, I've already ordered the cheapest possible crock pot, and the Silca wax. It's xmas, not time to get scroogey.
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I’m currently running an experiment on White Lightning on one of my bikes. I cleaned the chain, measured it, and have been keeping track of the mileage between lubrication and the overall mileage. I’m measuring the chain wear as well (just a chain checker). Would you be interested in doing the same since you are starting wax. Maybe we can get some real world data.
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Nice idea, but I don't own a chain checker, and am generally too lazy.
This is actually a project for my wife who wants to try out waxing her mtb chain because her trail route to work in the summer (when she has a looser schedule and can ride every day instead of drive) crosses water twice and makes her chain squeaky all the time. I'm not currently planning on switching my commuter or mtb (or any of the 5+other bikes in the garage which basically never get ridden) to wax. I'm content with my homebrew mix of Bar&Chain oil + OMS, reapplying whenever I hear noise, which is less than monthly. It seems to me like waxing is more work, not less, and I don't care about dirty grease.
If it was my own wax project, I'd go with basic parrafin and keep it in a ziplog bag that I could boil on the stove. But I'm not gonna impose that cheapskate approach on her.
This is actually a project for my wife who wants to try out waxing her mtb chain because her trail route to work in the summer (when she has a looser schedule and can ride every day instead of drive) crosses water twice and makes her chain squeaky all the time. I'm not currently planning on switching my commuter or mtb (or any of the 5+other bikes in the garage which basically never get ridden) to wax. I'm content with my homebrew mix of Bar&Chain oil + OMS, reapplying whenever I hear noise, which is less than monthly. It seems to me like waxing is more work, not less, and I don't care about dirty grease.
If it was my own wax project, I'd go with basic parrafin and keep it in a ziplog bag that I could boil on the stove. But I'm not gonna impose that cheapskate approach on her.
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I’m currently running an experiment on White Lightning on one of my bikes. I cleaned the chain, measured it, and have been keeping track of the mileage between lubrication and the overall mileage. I’m measuring the chain wear as well (just a chain checker). Would you be interested in doing the same since you are starting wax. Maybe we can get some real world data.