jon c. 

It's the reason those seeds were created.

Gconan

Citing Vani Hari explains perfectly the truth of political corruption that does not allow GMO'S to be labeled in America, when many other countries require it to be labeled. Any fair minded reader can click on the link https://foodbabe.com/the-united-stat...s-in-the-dark/
and see a delegate engage with political leaders or can see your denial of the well know issue.

https://foodbabe.com/the-united-stat...s-in-the-dark/

Happy Feet

Sigh...

In a sense yes, as the alternative is to spraying Glyphosphates (Roundup) indiscriminately all over an area hoping to control a few weeds but cover every plant, animal, insect and patch of dirt it hits. Some of it is absorbed by the target weed but most contaminates the environment and runs off into water tables etc... This is very commonly done on lawns and kids then run through herbicide treated grass and get it on their feet/clothes. Such use and it's accumulated toxicity concerns have led to it being banned in some regions.

So, that is the good old pre GMO days for you.

Happy Feet

Part of non labeling has to do with not indicating imaginary concerns on a label. They also don't note whether foods are grown by artificial light compared to organic sunshine.
I think they should as I believe LED's to be alien technology designed to enslave us to dark Martian overlords...

jon c. 

So the seeds in fact have everything to do with "the old fashioned chemical being applied to them."

sigh

balut bandit

Check your email (will need to use secret decoder v45.2 issued 12.25.18). The Pentaverate switched from Shill Checks to electronic deposit on 1.1.19.

Gconan

Did you look at his references with concerns of harm being done by GMO foods? That is why he was cited. It provided answers to your specific question, of what is definitely wrong with GMO soy. Did you not like the answer?
https://responsibletechnology.org/gm.../health-risks/

She was cited to show the political corruption that has denied the right of Americans to know if the are eating GMO's or not. Many Americans wanted GMO's labeled but Big Agriculture does not. They do not think we have the right to know whether we are eating GMO's or not. Or do you like the other poster deny that was/is an issue? Any fair minded reader can click on the link and see whether it is tin foil or not. It is an excellent link for this serious issue whether you are aware of it or not.

https://foodbabe.com/the-united-stat...s-in-the-dark/

radroad

Just about all of the MB's prior to suspension were awesome too. Oddly enough, he now claims they ride horribly. :-/

His XO was oddly prescient as well, despite many (well founded) claims that he was a "retro-grouch."

Gconan

They are not imaginary. We, as Americans should have the right to know. Europe and many other countries have the right to know. Men and women did not evolve or grow eating GMO's. We do not know what consequences it may cause. It has NOT been proven safe. Everyone on this board who is 50+ will remember how the news quoted people, even US senators saying smoking was not proved harmful. We all know how that worked out.
This has nothing to do whether Genetically Modified Organisms are harmful or not.

willibrord

I would be careful what you say on here.

Happy Feet

Humans also did not evolve using microwave ovens or drinking Starbucks coffee.

Ps. Make no mistake - we are taking names and creating data bases.

willibrord

You may jest, but Big Biotech is known for monitoring its opponents and harrassing them, see Tyrone Hays.

Phil_gretz

Quoted for truth. ****

livedarklions

I defy anyone to tell me what anti-GMO quackery/conspiracy theorizing has to do with general cycling.

I love eating high-gluten GM wheat, and so does the other head growing out of my neck.

noglider 

I've started reading the book. It's a somewhat radical theory, so it's hard for me to swallow.

Happy Feet

I'm not sure how the leap gets made from a scientist publishing peer reviewed research against a herbicide and then participating in a multi million dollar lawsuit against it and a person participating on a bicycle forum but what the heck. It's good conspiracy fodder.

I know this debate won't be resolved, but throughout my life I have been haunted by the personal responsibility inherent in this quote:

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Only, in this case I would insert uninformed and informed in the place of evil and good.

I don't really care what other people eat or don't eat but large groups fueled by righteous certainty and little science tend to wind up burning innocent witches more often than not.

woodcraft

A summary of issues surrounding Roundup use by those witch-burning crazies at Newsweek:

https://www.newsweek.com/glyphosate-...al-ever-422419

They don't go in to enough detail to note that it is sprayed on wheat just before harvest to dry the plants out for easier harvest.

Happy Feet

Yes. Overuse of Roundup is a concern. The crazy part is when people want to ban gmo's outright, throwing the good out with the bad, rather than just deal with the issue at hand.

Overuse of antibiotics is also an issue but where would we be if they were banned in the early 1900's?

wschruba

I gave it a fair shake, new experiences, and everything.

The idea of a ketogenic diet isn't new, and it did work for me, in that I found it easy to eat, be satisfied, and still lose weight...but is was unsustainable for me, in the end. I have taken away from it a renewed appreciation for how hard it is to find easy to transport/eat snacks that aren't terrible for you (or really, sustaining ketosis). When I'm not riding due to health issues, this really hits home. I would love to dive into the 3+ pounds of candy that are still sitting around here from the holidays, but I've come to realize that those calories really don't do much to sate me anymore.

I'm thinking I'll give it another try and see if it sticks. I just got a new fitness watch, so it is easier now for me to count calories in/out than it was when I initially tried it. Things that will definitely have to change: the amount of time I spend working/riding a bike vs sleeping. I envision the same problem arising that did before: someone in the house decides to go on a carb bender, and suddenly, there's nothing in the house but bread, rice, pasta, chips, etc...

willibrord

Maladies like cancer, auto immune diseases, autism are sky rocketing and GMOs, glysophate, plastics, chemicals in general are all in the mix.

livedarklions

Absolutely hilarious that a thread about a book pushing for the keto diet (no thanks!) has morphed into an argument about GMO.

balut bandit

Yikes!

Someone desperately needs an education about "correlation does not equal causation." After their tin foil hat is adjusted of course.

As the uncle to a fantastic nephew that is autistic, I would encourage you to educate yourself before perpetuating that particular bit of fake news.

Learn more here:

geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/09/22/autism-increase-mystery-solved-no-its-not-vaccines-gmos-glyphosate-or-organic-foods/

canadian deacon

To quote Jim Morrison (The Doors), "Nobody get's out of here alive."

Everything in moderation.

****

Happy Feet

As are greater population levels, better diagnostic abilities, longer lifespans for diseases to appear in, more fossil fuel use, lower activity levels etc...

Many "maladies" probably didn't manifest in the 1800's because people died young due to malnutrition, infection, undiagnosed ailments and cannon fodder.

My father had dyslexia but was never disgnosed as such. He just did poorly in school, quit and got a job and raised a family. A child today would be identified by early elementary. Must be the fault of gmo's.

clengman

A new paper published in Nature this week:

​https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0520-3
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Just thought I'd drop it here. Take it for what it's worth...