full chrome frame ALBUCH KOTTER(?) ID HELP
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12-30-23, 11:49 AM
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from what I can actually ID (that's a Silva IC BB shell from Italy, semi-vertical DOs unknown brand, brake bridge either Cinelli or GPM and the internal cable grommets another well-known maker but ?) this is certainly either contract-built in Italy for AK but given that extended seat tube it may be "custom" with a sloping TT or could be a "funny bike" with smaller front wheel.
I'd bet it's from the 1990s and the "95" in serial number might be the year, all just guessing.
There was some mention of Albuch Kotter bikes in some previous threads but have not found anything yet...except a couple names of contract-builders for AK that are mentioned in threads and include Romani (but think they went out of business in the late 1980s) and Chesini (still building?). Nothing shown look exactly like the OP's frame.
Is there a fork?
I'd bet it's from the 1990s and the "95" in serial number might be the year, all just guessing.
There was some mention of Albuch Kotter bikes in some previous threads but have not found anything yet...except a couple names of contract-builders for AK that are mentioned in threads and include Romani (but think they went out of business in the late 1980s) and Chesini (still building?). Nothing shown look exactly like the OP's frame.
Is there a fork?
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12-30-23, 12:03 PM
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I just did a quick search and it looks like there are a lot of pics presumably with some info on the web.... BTW lovely frame
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/155682440926
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albuch_Kotter
Google translate is your friend
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155682440926
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albuch_Kotter
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12-31-23, 04:27 AM
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Must be symmetrical
Cool frame!
A bunch of German brands outsourced production to Italy, for at least some of their frames and some of their history, Kotter among them. So you always need to be ready for the surprise ITA bottom bracket and headtubes/forks. Most Kotters were fully chromed, but since they were then painted, the chrome finish isn't as nice as you might hope. I think they didn't prep the frames as delicately as you would expect if the chrome were the final finish.
They did small wheeled triathlon bikes, I think, and this is probably one of them. I have seen ads for Kotters with the extended seat tube like this. If it's a frame for 26 inch wheels, I hope you have the fork too, otherwise it could be hard to find a matching one!
A bunch of German brands outsourced production to Italy, for at least some of their frames and some of their history, Kotter among them. So you always need to be ready for the surprise ITA bottom bracket and headtubes/forks. Most Kotters were fully chromed, but since they were then painted, the chrome finish isn't as nice as you might hope. I think they didn't prep the frames as delicately as you would expect if the chrome were the final finish.
They did small wheeled triathlon bikes, I think, and this is probably one of them. I have seen ads for Kotters with the extended seat tube like this. If it's a frame for 26 inch wheels, I hope you have the fork too, otherwise it could be hard to find a matching one!
12-31-23, 11:01 AM
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Not much help to you but I have this very cool "KOTTER'S" 6-Day jersey in my collection.
01-03-24, 10:17 AM
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from what I can actually ID (that's a Silva IC BB shell from Italy, semi-vertical DOs unknown brand, brake bridge either Cinelli or GPM and the internal cable grommets another well-known maker but ?) this is certainly either contract-built in Italy for AK but given that extended seat tube it may be "custom" with a sloping TT or could be a "funny bike" with smaller front wheel.
I'd bet it's from the 1990s and the "95" in serial number might be the year, all just guessing.
There was some mention of Albuch Kotter bikes in some previous threads but have not found anything yet...except a couple names of contract-builders for AK that are mentioned in threads and include Romani (but think they went out of business in the late 1980s) and Chesini (still building?). Nothing shown look exactly like the OP's frame.
Is there a fork?
I'd bet it's from the 1990s and the "95" in serial number might be the year, all just guessing.
There was some mention of Albuch Kotter bikes in some previous threads but have not found anything yet...except a couple names of contract-builders for AK that are mentioned in threads and include Romani (but think they went out of business in the late 1980s) and Chesini (still building?). Nothing shown look exactly like the OP's frame.
Is there a fork?
Cool frame!
A bunch of German brands outsourced production to Italy, for at least some of their frames and some of their history, Kotter among them. So you always need to be ready for the surprise ITA bottom bracket and headtubes/forks. Most Kotters were fully chromed, but since they were then painted, the chrome finish isn't as nice as you might hope. I think they didn't prep the frames as delicately as you would expect if the chrome were the final finish.
They did small wheeled triathlon bikes, I think, and this is probably one of them. I have seen ads for Kotters with the extended seat tube like this. If it's a frame for 26 inch wheels, I hope you have the fork too, otherwise it could be hard to find a matching one!
A bunch of German brands outsourced production to Italy, for at least some of their frames and some of their history, Kotter among them. So you always need to be ready for the surprise ITA bottom bracket and headtubes/forks. Most Kotters were fully chromed, but since they were then painted, the chrome finish isn't as nice as you might hope. I think they didn't prep the frames as delicately as you would expect if the chrome were the final finish.
They did small wheeled triathlon bikes, I think, and this is probably one of them. I have seen ads for Kotters with the extended seat tube like this. If it's a frame for 26 inch wheels, I hope you have the fork too, otherwise it could be hard to find a matching one!
thanks for the answer!
rear DO's have the Gipiemme stamp.
Unfortunately, there is no fork for this frame... The frame apparently comes from some warehouse. I don't have any specific information.
The bottom bracket is apparently ITA.
