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No never, wouldn’t even think of it
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I only fly my own racing teams colors
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Enjoy logo’d apparel and makes me feel more racy
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Some times
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I mix and match logo’d and non-logo’d
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I find it fascinating how butthurt some folks are about what another person wears ... or doesn't wear.
I ride with a guy that can complete The DAMn with Crocs and discount fishing shirt (it's UV protective), and I know a guy that showed up for that ride with over $10K in bike and top quality kit that melted down after 150 miles.
I ride what is comfortable and works for the goals of the ride ... and that changes from day-to-day. Cotton is fine when running errands or social events; and lycra* is great when training or racing.
Just go ride your effing bike, and let others ride their bike.
*Footnote: Lycra/Spandex is not simply polyester, Lycra and polyester are both synthetic materials but that's all they have in common. If you don't like polyester for biking ... I get it! But do not lump quality Lycra materials in the same bin.
I ride with a guy that can complete The DAMn with Crocs and discount fishing shirt (it's UV protective), and I know a guy that showed up for that ride with over $10K in bike and top quality kit that melted down after 150 miles.
I ride what is comfortable and works for the goals of the ride ... and that changes from day-to-day. Cotton is fine when running errands or social events; and lycra* is great when training or racing.
Just go ride your effing bike, and let others ride their bike.
*Footnote: Lycra/Spandex is not simply polyester, Lycra and polyester are both synthetic materials but that's all they have in common. If you don't like polyester for biking ... I get it! But do not lump quality Lycra materials in the same bin.
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The problem I am often faced with when picking out cycling apparel is length, availability, & cost. Mainly for the top of everything I try on is too short. I would pay 10% more than the average general retailer "online" price (amazon, ebay, etc) if I could have the rear pockets be lower which means providing coverage for the lower back. Bibs resolve the exposure, but the ridiculous short jersey is not acceptable for me. Ever try reaching in those rear jersey pockets mid ride? Horrible!
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You advocate cotton for cycling which is the most uncomfortable fabric for riding and then feel butthurt when people try to explain to you that there are more comfortable and more practical alternatives to cotton...I have experimented with all kinds of fabrics and I can tell you that modern synthetic technical fabrics are 100 times better than cotton for riding or performing any type of intense physical activity. Telling people to ride in cotton is just silly because experienced riders know better.
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(psssst - it's wrong either way)
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For cycling, I'll give cotton an okay if it is for loose outer clothing. However for things needing to fit snug to your skin for wicking sweat away or to provide protection from abrasion of your skin in your nether regions that touch the saddle it is a very poor choice.
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I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you've never tried a truly nice, expensive jersey. I don't know how else you can keep claiming that they're no different than your $20 eBay specials.
You advocate cotton for cycling which is the most uncomfortable fabric for riding and then feel butthurt when people try to explain to you that there are more comfortable and more practical alternatives to cotton...I have experimented with all kinds of fabrics and I can tell you that modern synthetic technical fabrics are 100 times better than cotton for riding or performing any type of intense physical activity. Telling people to ride in cotton is just silly because experienced riders know better.
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I think you missed my post earlier in this thread. I have some "truly nice expensive" jersey's that I won in some mountain bike racing events...Some were made by Borah Teamwear and Some by Sugoi...They aren't any better in fit, finish etc. than my $20 Amazon jerseys. The all work equally well and manage moisture wicking all the same.
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You advocate cotton for cycling which is the most uncomfortable fabric for riding and then feel butthurt when people try to explain to you that there are more comfortable and more practical alternatives to cotton...I have experimented with all kinds of fabrics and I can tell you that modern synthetic technical fabrics are 100 times better than cotton for riding or performing any type of intense physical activity. Telling people to ride in cotton is just silly because experienced riders know better.
I don't "advocate" squat, I just find cotton more comfortable than any polyesters, and I don't find cotton uncomfortable in the least. That's literally all I've said, I defy you to quote anything where I told anyone to ride in anything. Go ahead, and when you can't find it, I'll be happy to accept your apology.
All I've said is that I'm tired of being told I'm wrong because I find cotton very comfortable. If you consider that being "butthurt", too bad. I'm a very experienced rider who pedals hard over 100 miles in some pretty damn hot weather. I've heard the same thing about preferring cotton from some other experienced riders, and although we're a distinct minority, since comfort is by its very nature subjective, I think it's hilarious that y'all think it appropriate to tell us we're wrong. I also think it's hilarious that people are telling prj71 he isn't really comfortable in the cheap polyester jerseys he wears because he isn't spending enough money on them. On the other hand, I also think it's hilarious that he's telling people who say they're more comfortable in expensive than cheap polyester they're wrong to pay more for them.
You, on the other hand, have gone from thread to thread posting that anyone who doesn't share your preferences is wrong. I could quote literally dozens of such posts on all kinds of topics.
My quibble here is with people who are clearly stating subjective statements as undeniable truths. Sorry if that bugs you, but get over it.
I also haven't posted anything as blandly obvious that wearing a team logo is a fashion statement if you aren't actually on the team as if it's a revelation. Nice try at the deflection.
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I think you missed my post earlier in this thread. I have some "truly nice expensive" jersey's that I won in some mountain bike racing events...Some were made by Borah Teamwear and Some by Sugoi...They aren't any better in fit, finish etc. than my $20 Amazon jerseys. The all work equally well and manage moisture wicking all the same.
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I think you missed my post earlier in this thread. I have some "truly nice expensive" jersey's that I won in some mountain bike racing events...Some were made by Borah Teamwear and Some by Sugoi...They aren't any better in fit, finish etc. than my $20 Amazon jerseys. The all work equally well and manage moisture wicking all the same.
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Aha! Here's where the whole subjective thing comes in--lots of people have sensitivity to those fabrics, myself included. When we're talking about comfort, we may very well be experiencing very different interactions between our skin and those fabrics. I don't think sensitivities have to be full-blown break out in hives kind of things, so it's quite possible that people who don't find those fabrics comfortable are getting low-grade reactions they're experiencing just as discomfort. Cotton is hypo-allergenic, on the other hand. So my comfort with it could simply be that it's what I'm used to out of necessity.
I really don't care what others choose to wear, btw. I think I've been very careful not to imply any disapproval of anyone else's choices.
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It's funny that you say this -
...and then follow it up with this -
...because that's just as inaccurate as what he was accusing you of.
I also think it's hilarious that people are telling prj71 he isn't really comfortable in the cheap polyester jerseys he wears because he isn't spending enough money on them.
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https://us-store.sugoi.com/collectio...s-bike-jerseys
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And they were from an MTB event, presumably club fit at best and almost certainly too big for technical road apparel. Your idea of a "long, hard" day is a flat, <16mph organized ride. IOW, your frame of reference is suspect and your needs aren't rigorous. It's wonderful that you can take care of your needs so inexpensively, but don't presume to tell people with more demanding needs that all polyester jerseys are the same.
That was a leisurly ride with the GF.
Is this better for you?? Less Flat...These were gravel events I did on a mountain bike wearing cheap jerseys. It's amazing I made it through them!!!
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Reading some of your other posts in this thread, I think you understand the differences between entry level (low $) and quality kit (higher $$$). And I will say that there are diminishing returns as you spend more-and-more. Therefore, for a recreational rider, there's no real value in spending top $$$ on a kit (except possibly the logos on the kit).
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I actually wear very snug-fitting cotton shirts, and they work very well for me. I also don't have any problems with cotton cargo shorts.
I encourage people to experiment with various things if they find they're uncomfortable in what they're wearing regardless of whatever someone else is telling them about what should or shouldn't be comfortable.
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Cotton is best for walking in, particularly if it's high or tall.
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It's funny that you say this -
...and then follow it up with this -
I also think it's hilarious that people are telling prj71 he isn't really comfortable in the cheap polyester jerseys he wears because he isn't spending enough money on them.
...because that's just as inaccurate as what he was accusing you of.
...and then follow it up with this -
I also think it's hilarious that people are telling prj71 he isn't really comfortable in the cheap polyester jerseys he wears because he isn't spending enough money on them.
...because that's just as inaccurate as what he was accusing you of.
I apologize for that. Thank you for the correction.
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Aha! Here's where the whole subjective thing comes in--lots of people have sensitivity to those fabrics, myself included. When we're talking about comfort, we may very well be experiencing very different interactions between our skin and those fabrics. I don't think sensitivities have to be full-blown break out in hives kind of things, so it's quite possible that people who don't find those fabrics comfortable are getting low-grade reactions they're experiencing just as discomfort. Cotton is hypo-allergenic, on the other hand. So my comfort with it could simply be that it's what I'm used to out of necessity.
I really don't care what others choose to wear, btw. I think I've been very careful not to imply any disapproval of anyone else's choices.
I really don't care what others choose to wear, btw. I think I've been very careful not to imply any disapproval of anyone else's choices.
You find cotton comfortable - great. Everybody here has worn cotton shirts - we can make an informed decision to agree or disagree.
When it comes to opinions on good technical fabrics, which aren't as ubiquitous or accessible as cotton, I think that it's fair that people qualify their opinion. You find polyester uncomfortable and it sounds as if that's been the case for a long time. Fair enough... but with the strides in high-end technical fabrics in the last decade or so, are you really in a position to comment on their characteristics and your disposition towards them? This stuff ain't grandpa's, or even dad's, polyester.
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You were the one that cherry-picked those rides as being characteristic of hard rides, not me. As far as these, sorry, but I remain unimpressed.
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