MoAlpha

Ah. The details are way over my tiny head, but I suspected it had something to do with survival curves.

Carbonfiberboy 

That thread "only" has 120 posts. There's also a larger thread from 2018 with 268 posts:
https://www.bikeforums.net/training-...t-fasting.html

This current thread certainly has some interesting posts.

Carbonfiberboy 

I became interested in nutrition back in '70, in my hippie days, when a standard greeting was, "What are you eating now?" I've seen and participated in some serious craziness. Ever had carrot top soup? No? You've really missed something. My breakfast for a while was steel-cut oats, soaked overnight, no milk. Don't want to ruin the nutrition by heating it! It was quick though.

Nutrition is still interesting, isn't it?

ZHVelo

Most humans don't have a period in the day where they say don't eat 1 hour before sleep and then sleep 7 hours? I find that hard to believe. Do most people snack after dinner every day?

ZHVelo

I soak my oats in water overnight and prepare them with things the next day. No milk either. No heating, faster and some nutrition as you say is lost when heating.

PeteHski

How does that relate to an 8 hour time restricted eating window? Sounds more like a 16 hour window to me. Or have I missed your point here?

ZHVelo

Ah, I misunderstood, they only eat during an 8-hour span, not that they don't eat for 8 hours.

PeteHski

That’s it, you got it.

MinnMan

Correct.

Carbonfiberboy 

OMG that's still going on. The ability to make and preserve fire was a huge turning in human nutrition. It turns out that cooking food releases more nutrients which in turn meant that after fire, humans could eat less which meant less time foraging, which meant more time thinking. Most health faddists point to a small loss in vitamin content in cooked foods, true, but neglect to mention how much more digestible cooked foods are, which means we get more energy from them. Also many foods are almost indigestible raw, like potatoes. "a fragment of underdone potato?" - Scrooge. I can spend time fooling around with this because in a few minutes I'm going to eat beans with corn tortilla and fixings for breakfast, all cooked. All of that almost inedible raw. That said, when I was hitching across Yugoslavia with no money at all, I ate raw field corn stolen out of the peoples' fields in the night. Luckily it was corn season, but then I'm always lucky.

RChung

Oatfiberboy.

MinnMan

If it is true sweet corn, it can be delicious when raw.

MoAlpha

Croatian corn is the best.

RH Clark

Don't let this one flawed and overly hyped study stop you.

PeteHski

Is it the study itself that is hyped or just the media reporting on it? Were the authors specifically looking to demonstrate an adverse link or was it something that simply popped out of the data that they couldn’t just ignore? I suspect more the latter as I got the impression that the adverse link was a surprise.

RH Clark

The doctor pretty much sums up my thoughts on it in the video I linked.

I don't think there were any surprises for the designers of the study. All medias love hype and controversy.

MoAlpha

If intermittent fasting is all that, and I’m not saying it isn’t, I’m sure you can do better than a chiropractor who flogs keto on social media for a living.

MoAlpha

Based on the consensus among real experts, which was and probably still is in favor of calorie restriction as a means of promoting longevity, I suspect the authors were surprised.

RH Clark

I can't guess why you assign more credence to this study than it clearly deserves, but I don't have any inclination and do not wish to spend any time arguing with you over it. Hope you have a nice day.

hubcyclist

i'm gonna say the same things I probably said in that disaster of a thread by that one dude linked above, current peer reviewed evidence demonstrates no real difference between intermittent fasting and standard calorie restriction, so it's really a matter of folks figuring out what works best for themselves. There's a lot of pseudoscience and unproven claims made regarding IF, much like other fads there's a lot of misinformation spread to overhype it

Polaris OBark

The flaw is what? It is at variance with your expectation biases?

I'll wait for the peer review process before concluding anything, but unless there actually is a real flaw in the statistical analysis, you'll have to come up with something slightly more compelling than a sales-pitch video from someone who isn't medically qualified.

RH Clark

The study is flawed for many reasons clearly explained in the video I posted which you hold bias against for some reason. No one in that study was medically qualified. It was performed as a survey, relying completely on anecdotal information with no specificity as to diet or any other possible contributing factors.

Would you still contribute the groups heart troubles to IM fasting if you knew most of them were obese smokers? What if the majority ate mostly fast food?

There are multiple scientific peer reviewed studies showing many health benefits of IM fasting, yet for some reason you prefer to give credit to an unreviewed anecdotal study with clear issues. I may be biased toward IM fasting but it's because I am following the clearest scientific evidence available. Why are you biased?

Polaris OBark

Perhaps the word you are looking for is "anecdotal" ?

RH Clark

Thanks, spell check and bad eyes converged against me.

Polaris OBark

My "bias" is to allow the established scientific review processes (peer review, publication in a reputable journal) do its thing.

As for the results being preliminary, that is what happens at conferences where people present new, unpublished findings. Conferences are also, more informally, part of the antagonistic review process, because people can argue about what is presented, attack it, reject it, and hopefully improve what survives critical analyses.