My first impression of Campy...it sucks
05-21-07, 09:20 AM
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makes you wonder. On my campy bike, the cables are crossed so to adjust the rear derailer while riding, you have to adjust the left adjuster. When I got my campy bike, I thought it was less of a hassle to get it working properly than a shimano bike.
Then again, campy record might just be worse than Sora.
Actually, Sora shifters work pretty damn well. I had some parts lying around and built a bike for my girlfriend's daughter. Ultegra triple front and rear derailers, shimano XT 11-28 cassette (8 speed), Sram 68 chain, Ultegra triple 10 speed crank and sora shifters. Works like butter. She likes the way the sora shifters work so I may put some campy shifters on her bike and use a shiftmate and a shimano 10 speed cassette.
Then again, campy record might just be worse than Sora.
Actually, Sora shifters work pretty damn well. I had some parts lying around and built a bike for my girlfriend's daughter. Ultegra triple front and rear derailers, shimano XT 11-28 cassette (8 speed), Sram 68 chain, Ultegra triple 10 speed crank and sora shifters. Works like butter. She likes the way the sora shifters work so I may put some campy shifters on her bike and use a shiftmate and a shimano 10 speed cassette.
Originally Posted by Flak
Sounds to me like you're not as good adjusting your gear as you like to think. 
05-21-07, 09:34 AM
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another possibility i've had happen is the cassette might not be seated properly, sometimes the smallest cog doesn't sit properly in the cassette but the lockring will tighten down. throws the whole mess off a little. seen it happen, something else just to double check.
05-21-07, 09:36 AM
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Lets see, you complain that a top of the line product does not work for you, yet seems to work fine for everyone else. Sure, I guess it has to be the product and NOT the user, right?
05-21-07, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by patentcad
>>My first impression of Campy...it sucks<<
Duh. Come to the light my son:
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We await you at the Our Lady of Dura Achee Chapel. We will cast off your Campy and pray together.
Duh. Come to the light my son:
We await you at the Our Lady of Dura Achee Chapel. We will cast off your Campy and pray together.
Now that is funny.
05-21-07, 09:40 AM
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I had serious shifting problems with a 10 speed Dura Ace. The LBS kept adjusting, and I kept bring it back. I finally ran into someone that knew what they were doing. The asked why are your shifting cables so long? I bet you will get shifting problems with those. That was the problem all along.
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Originally Posted by jberenyi
Thanks for your generous comments on what the problem may be. In answer to some of the questions proposed; the frame is a Lynskey (Ti) and the wheelset is Fulcrum Racing 1's. I can assure everyone the hangar is not bent and if you know Ti material at all, it does not bend easily. Could it be the frame itself as someone suggested? Hell if I know but its going to take a pro to figure this one out with the right alignment check tools. But if in fact this issue is caused by come Campy component it will be the last time I ever buy a Campy gruppo. If its the frame, I'm definitely screwed for the summer. With Lynskey's backlog on frames I wouldn't see mine back for 6-8 months. Until this issue is solved I don't think I can ride with the groups anymore...I had enough jeers from the Shimano owners to last a lifetime about how noisy the tracking was in the rear.
05-21-07, 09:45 AM
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Man, you do have the worst luck. Kind of reminds me of Joe Btfsplk, the guy in the L'il Abner comic who always had a raincloud a foot above his head.
Let us know how things work out, if it's the cables, cassette, der hanger, whatever. Maybe you could borrow a Shimano setup from another bike and see if the shifting improves.
Let us know how things work out, if it's the cables, cassette, der hanger, whatever. Maybe you could borrow a Shimano setup from another bike and see if the shifting improves.
05-21-07, 10:11 AM
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I can't tell you how many we had to replace due to bent hangers during shipping or just poor shifting back in my shop days, a real PITA.
Ti is sounding better and better -- but man are they expensive!
05-21-07, 10:53 AM
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Jeeze, after 2 years of riding my Bianchi Eros with entry level Campy Mirage group, I have had NO issues. Bike wrench said that once dialed in Campy stuff was pretty much bullet proof. Hope we hear the outcome of his problem...but bash Campy? Sacreligious.
05-21-07, 10:59 AM
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Too bad about that Campy Record stuff, eh? I'm sure all those Euro pro teams who rely on it to win races and such will be disappointed with your review and will switch themselves, now that it's been thoroughly put through the testing process and proven unworthy for road riding and racing.
05-21-07, 11:21 AM
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My vote is for excessive cable friction/binding. All it takes is one badly-made cut on a cable housing to cause shifting trouble...
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
Your der. hanger was probably bent during shipping or assembly.
Yep. That's a classic symptom.
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Not a Campy bash here but cable friction in the rear shift system is definitely higher than Shimano’s STI. The cables are wonderfully hidden under the bar tape (unlike Shimano) but must be routed very carefully or friction will result causing the rear derailleur to not index correctly. Also, Shimano rear derailleur’s have a floating jockey pulley which seems to buffer misadjustment better than Campy’s non-floating pulley. Lastly, Lynskey’s rear dropouts are heavily relived in the middle thus they don’t have a whole lot of meat on them (some people, like me, think they are downright scary looking). One good knock on the derailleur hanger could very well cause misalignment.
So check cable friction, adjustment, and derailleur hanger alignment. Want to bet one of these things is the cause?
So check cable friction, adjustment, and derailleur hanger alignment. Want to bet one of these things is the cause?
05-21-07, 02:13 PM
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"Not a Campy bash here but cable friction in the rear shift system is definitely higher than Shimano’s STI. The cables are wonderfully hidden under the bar tape (unlike Shimano) but must be routed very carefully or friction will result causing the rear derailleur to not index correctly. Also, Shimano rear derailleur’s have a floating jockey pulley which seems to buffer misadjustment better than Campy’s non-floating pulley. Lastly, Lynskey’s rear dropouts are heavily relived in the middle thus they don’t have a whole lot of meat on them (some people, like me, think they are downright scary looking). One good knock on the derailleur hanger could very well cause misalignment.
So check cable friction, adjustment, and derailleur hanger alignment. Want to bet one of these things is the cause?"
I predict NES here knows what he is talking about.. ....
BTW Dr Pete that was funny as hell. (They should just go out of business!!!!)
So check cable friction, adjustment, and derailleur hanger alignment. Want to bet one of these things is the cause?"
I predict NES here knows what he is talking about.. ....
BTW Dr Pete that was funny as hell. (They should just go out of business!!!!)
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Originally Posted by patentcad
Duh. Come to the light my son:
05-21-07, 03:43 PM
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There is another possibility, as I have noticed a spring in the right Record shifter on my climbing bike wearing slowly over time. This spring is basically a retention/float spring. It prevents the rear der from travelling too far to the right when you upshift with the thumb lever. If that spring is worn or defective, then the der will move too far to the right, and will not align properly with the cog.
Since the spring on mine is slowly going after thousands of miles, and tens of thousands of shifts from climbing hills, I have noticed that if it moves a little too far on the upshift, then I can push it back a hair with the index lever to keep it aligned. Eventually, I'll replace it. Luckily, I can replace it without having to buy a whole new shifter. The little spring costs $3.
Since the spring on mine is slowly going after thousands of miles, and tens of thousands of shifts from climbing hills, I have noticed that if it moves a little too far on the upshift, then I can push it back a hair with the index lever to keep it aligned. Eventually, I'll replace it. Luckily, I can replace it without having to buy a whole new shifter. The little spring costs $3.
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I had shifting issues in the middle gears on a new build once. Turned out, the spacers between the cogs were out of sequence - they are different widths. Only took a few minutes of looking at the IPB on the Campy website to figure it out.
Just a thought.
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Just got back from the LBS. I was right. My faith in Lynskey is spot on. The frame/dropouts/hangar was dead nuts on for alignment.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
>>My first impression of Campy...it sucks<<
Duh. Come to the light my son:
We await you at the Our Lady of Dura Achee Chapel. We will cast off your Campy and pray together.
Duh. Come to the light my son:
We await you at the Our Lady of Dura Achee Chapel. We will cast off your Campy and pray together.
05-21-07, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jberenyi
Just got back from the LBS. I was right. My faith in Lynskey is spot on. The frame/dropouts/hangar was dead nuts on for alignment.
You need a mechanic that knows his campy...not just one that has worked on it occasionally.
05-21-07, 07:35 PM
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I've been riding Campy Chorus pretty hard for many years now, and I never had any issues with it.
Is this your post?
https://bikeforums.net/showthread.php...hlight=lynskey
It seems like you were pretty happy with the whole package, so it's kind of unfair to bash the entire company for something that may not even be Campy's issue. I know it can be frustrating when you spend a ton of money on a bike and it makes more noise than your 10 year old alu frame, but do a little more research before you trash campy. Good luck.
Is this your post?
https://bikeforums.net/showthread.php...hlight=lynskey
It seems like you were pretty happy with the whole package, so it's kind of unfair to bash the entire company for something that may not even be Campy's issue. I know it can be frustrating when you spend a ton of money on a bike and it makes more noise than your 10 year old alu frame, but do a little more research before you trash campy. Good luck.
05-21-07, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jberenyi
Just got back from the LBS. I was right. My faith in Lynskey is spot on. The frame/dropouts/hangar was dead nuts on for alignment.
05-21-07, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by karesz3
I've been riding Campy Chorus pretty hard for many years now, and I never had any issues with it.
Is this your post?
https://bikeforums.net/showthread.php...hlight=lynskey
It seems like you were pretty happy with the whole package, so it's kind of unfair to bash the entire company for something that may not even be Campy's issue. I know it can be frustrating when you spend a ton of money on a bike and it makes more noise than your 10 year old alu frame, but do a little more research before you trash campy. Good luck.
Is this your post?
https://bikeforums.net/showthread.php...hlight=lynskey
It seems like you were pretty happy with the whole package, so it's kind of unfair to bash the entire company for something that may not even be Campy's issue. I know it can be frustrating when you spend a ton of money on a bike and it makes more noise than your 10 year old alu frame, but do a little more research before you trash campy. Good luck.
I did my research. I've read every friggin Campy manual I have from page to page. I unwrapped the bars and rechecked the cables, cassette, had the alignment check done and performed the derailleur adjustment per Campy's instructions and it will not track correctly in ALL cogs. Short of selling this piece of **** gruppo I don't know what else to do. My friend offered to try his rear wheel on my bike thinking it could be the cassette. Won't know till tomorrow.
