Is half wheeling dangerous?
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If I come up to a group at a red light that I saw before was riding at a slower pace than me, I will do exactly what you said. I get them out of my way quicker, and I get out of theirs. It also gives me a chance to exchange pleasant greetings with my fellow cyclists. If I know they are faster than my pace, I stay back.
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If I come up to a group at a red light that I saw before was riding at a slower pace than me, I will do exactly what you said. I get them out of my way quicker, and I get out of theirs. It also gives me a chance to exchange pleasant greetings with my fellow cyclists. If I know they are faster than my pace, I stay back.
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Also - half-wheelers are the same as:
"Man I haven't been riding much - can we just go slow today?" said before causing the group to set new records on every segment of the ride.
See also: "I don't feel great...", "I rode hard yesterday so I need to go easy today...", "My ____ has been acting up....", "It's a recovery week...", "I have an event coming up so I have to go easy..."
"Man I haven't been riding much - can we just go slow today?" said before causing the group to set new records on every segment of the ride.
See also: "I don't feel great...", "I rode hard yesterday so I need to go easy today...", "My ____ has been acting up....", "It's a recovery week...", "I have an event coming up so I have to go easy..."
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[/QUOTE] The half-wheeler is Not increasing the speed. He is just positioning himself 15 inches further ahead. It is the person pulling who increases speed, to close the gap. Then the rest of the line speeds up to close the gaps. The half-wheeler Then and Only Then increases speed---to match the puller. This causes everyone in the outside line to increase speed to close the gaps.
He is not "increasing" speed. he briefly, for a couple strokes pushed harder .... and then maintained speed.
You know this. Either you are just confused because words are not reality and you cannot translate from page to life .... or you are just looking for a fight.
Half-wheeler.
You know this. Either you are just confused because words are not reality and you cannot translate from page to life .... or you are just looking for a fight.
Half-wheeler.
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Lots of variables are involved with the decision to go to the front or not. Sometimes you can get a good idea of the speed of the group from the appearance of the bikes and riders. I'm not going to force my way through if it's a tight fit next to cars who are also stopped. I don't have an issue being patient, and passing later, if that's a better choice.
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Stand up out of the saddle when the light turns green, and REALLY work the bike side to side....
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If I come up to a group at a red light that I saw before was riding at a slower pace than me, I will do exactly what you said. I get them out of my way quicker, and I get out of theirs. It also gives me a chance to exchange pleasant greetings with my fellow cyclists. If I know they are faster than my pace, I stay back.
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The half-wheeler is Not increasing the speed. He is just positioning himself 15 inches further ahead. It is the person pulling who increases speed, to close the gap. Then the rest of the line speeds up to close the gaps. The half-wheeler Then and Only Then increases speed---to match the puller. This causes everyone in the outside line to increase speed to close the gaps.
He is not "increasing" speed. he briefly, for a couple strokes pushed harder .... and then maintained speed.
You know this. Either you are just confused because words are not reality and you cannot translate from page to life .... or you are just looking for a fight.
Half-wheeler.
You know this. Either you are just confused because words are not reality and you cannot translate from page to life .... or you are just looking for a fight.
Half-wheeler.
Your logic is painful, yet you accuse me of not having sufficient ability with language. It's pretty clear that you've either a) never experienced a group ride under the subtle influence of a half-wheeler or b) if you have, it was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
In your world, the half-wheeler only momentarily increases speed, and the rest are responsible for a permanent increase in speed, to close gaps that the half-wheeler opened. At that point, the half-wheeler is then forced to match that increase, though no fault of their own, so that they don't get dropped. Got it - the half-wheeler is completely innocent.
So, a question: if the half-wheeler's increase is only momentary, why isn't the rest of the group capable of a similar, momentary increase to get everything squared away? Oh, that's right - because when the half-wheeler
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Your logic is painful, yet you accuse me of not having sufficient ability with language. It's pretty clear that you've either a) never experienced a group ride under the subtle influence of a half-wheeler or b) if you have, it was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
In your world, the half-wheeler only momentarily increases speed, and the rest are responsible for a permanent increase in speed, to close gaps that the half-wheeler opened. At that point, the half-wheeler is then forced to match that increase, though no fault of their own, so that they don't get dropped. Got it - the half-wheeler is completely innocent.
So, a question: if the half-wheeler's increase is only momentary, why isn't the rest of the group capable of a similar, momentary increase to get everything squared away? Oh, that's right - because when the half-wheelermomentarily increases their speed teleports again, positioning themselves a half-wheel ahead, the rest all have to up the tempo again, just a teeny bit, to close the half-wheeler's gaps and, eventually, the innocent half-wheeler is going to get swept up in their shenanigans, amiright?
In your world, the half-wheeler only momentarily increases speed, and the rest are responsible for a permanent increase in speed, to close gaps that the half-wheeler opened. At that point, the half-wheeler is then forced to match that increase, though no fault of their own, so that they don't get dropped. Got it - the half-wheeler is completely innocent.
So, a question: if the half-wheeler's increase is only momentary, why isn't the rest of the group capable of a similar, momentary increase to get everything squared away? Oh, that's right - because when the half-wheeler
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"Surge" might be too strong a word to describe it, in some instances. Sometimes the half-wheeler just creeps ahead over some distance.
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.... the half-wheeler only momentarily increases speed, and the rest are responsible for a permanent increase in speed, to close gaps that the half-wheeler opened. At that point, the half-wheeler is then forced to match that increase, though no fault of their own, so that they don't get dropped. Got it - the half-wheeler is completely innocent.
But the half-wheeling can't happen unless the others follow.
You and genejockey are saying the same thing but genejockey is focusing on what the others can do about it (not follow by not increasing their speed).
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The thing is that people don't keep a constant speed.
So, the followers likely see the half-wheeling as a normal variation in speed (rather than an attempt at increasing the speed). And it's normal/typical to match speeds.
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Is there a parallel between a half-wheeler inducing the group to accelerate and the OP chumming the water and watching everyone fight?
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It takes two to tango and the half-wheeler is certainly leading (not innocent).
But the half-wheeling can't happen unless the others follow.
You and genejockey are saying the same thing but genejockey is focusing on what the others can do about it (not follow by not increasing their speed).
But the half-wheeling can't happen unless the others follow.
You and genejockey are saying the same thing but genejockey is focusing on what the others can do about it (not follow by not increasing their speed).
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The thing is that people don't keep a constant speed.
So, the followers likely see the half-wheeling as a normal variation in speed (rather than an attempt at increasing the speed). And it's normal/typical to match speeds.
The thing is that people don't keep a constant speed.
So, the followers likely see the half-wheeling as a normal variation in speed (rather than an attempt at increasing the speed). And it's normal/typical to match speeds.
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The reason they are "not knowing that it happened" is because variation in speed (and matching it) is a regular/normal thing.
If the followers know that it's "progressive acceleration" and consciously increase their speed, it's not really half-wheeling.
If the followers don't know "progressive acceleration" is going on, they likely are just matching speed (which is a regular/normal thing).
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Then one of us is confused, because I wasn't talking about what people could do, because stopping doing something you aren't aware you're doing is difficult.
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You'd think that, after a while of being half-wheeled (over multiple rides), it would dawn on the followers that they are going faster than they want to.
WiFi appears to be saying it should dawn (at some time) on the followers.
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Oh, I think it does. In my example above of my brother and I running together, both of us realized what was going on, and slowed down. But it kept happening, and we had to keep consciously slowing down every half mile or so.
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I'm also sure it dawns on them, too. Something like, "I can usually talk to my neighbor without gasping at this point. What's going on?"
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