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I sometimes wondered how certain users managed to rack up so many posts into the tens of thousands, regardless of how long they've been active on the forum. This thread helps clarify as it's the same few long timers who need to come in every thread and try to criticize the OP, derail any conversation, and make the same jokes that weren't funny the 20th time they posted in every other new thread.
Really guys, what is so hard about just ignoring a thread if you don't think it's worth your time? Why do you need to continue to pat yourselves on the back for how amazing you are as forum users because you've derailed every previous thread on a topic and won't let one get by without your steering it away from actual discussion and into stupid arguments, and then complain about how all similar threads always end up with stupid arguments.
Really guys, what is so hard about just ignoring a thread if you don't think it's worth your time? Why do you need to continue to pat yourselves on the back for how amazing you are as forum users because you've derailed every previous thread on a topic and won't let one get by without your steering it away from actual discussion and into stupid arguments, and then complain about how all similar threads always end up with stupid arguments.
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I sometimes wondered how certain users managed to rack up so many posts into the tens of thousands, regardless of how long they've been active on the forum. This thread helps clarify as it's the same few long timers who need to come in every thread and try to criticize the OP, derail any conversation, and make the same jokes that weren't funny the 20th time they posted in every other new thread.
Really guys, what is so hard about just ignoring a thread if you don't think it's worth your time? Why do you need to continue to pat yourselves on the back for how amazing you are as forum users because you've derailed every previous thread on a topic and won't let one get by without your steering it away from actual discussion and into stupid arguments, and then complain about how all similar threads always end up with stupid arguments.
Really guys, what is so hard about just ignoring a thread if you don't think it's worth your time? Why do you need to continue to pat yourselves on the back for how amazing you are as forum users because you've derailed every previous thread on a topic and won't let one get by without your steering it away from actual discussion and into stupid arguments, and then complain about how all similar threads always end up with stupid arguments.
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Do I really need to explain I was going along with your joke by combining two of the trolliest thread topics around? (Dog threads and waving threads.)
Lighten up, Francis.
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I sometimes wondered how certain users managed to rack up so many posts into the tens of thousands, regardless of how long they've been active on the forum. This thread helps clarify as it's the same few long timers who need to come in every thread and try to criticize the OP, derail any conversation, and make the same jokes that weren't funny the 20th time they posted in every other new thread.
Really guys, what is so hard about just ignoring a thread if you don't think it's worth your time? Why do you need to continue to pat yourselves on the back for how amazing you are as forum users because you've derailed every previous thread on a topic and won't let one get by without your steering it away from actual discussion and into stupid arguments, and then complain about how all similar threads always end up with stupid arguments.
Really guys, what is so hard about just ignoring a thread if you don't think it's worth your time? Why do you need to continue to pat yourselves on the back for how amazing you are as forum users because you've derailed every previous thread on a topic and won't let one get by without your steering it away from actual discussion and into stupid arguments, and then complain about how all similar threads always end up with stupid arguments.
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I sometimes wondered how certain users managed to rack up so many posts into the tens of thousands, regardless of how long they've been active on the forum. This thread helps clarify as it's the same few long timers who need to come in every thread and try to criticize the OP, derail any conversation, and make the same jokes that weren't funny the 20th time they posted in every other new thread.
Really guys, what is so hard about just ignoring a thread if you don't think it's worth your time? Why do you need to continue to pat yourselves on the back for how amazing you are as forum users because you've derailed every previous thread on a topic and won't let one get by without your steering it away from actual discussion and into stupid arguments, and then complain about how all similar threads always end up with stupid arguments.
Really guys, what is so hard about just ignoring a thread if you don't think it's worth your time? Why do you need to continue to pat yourselves on the back for how amazing you are as forum users because you've derailed every previous thread on a topic and won't let one get by without your steering it away from actual discussion and into stupid arguments, and then complain about how all similar threads always end up with stupid arguments.
That stuff bugs me as well--see my argument in the drop bar vs. flat thread, but this thread really went off the rails at the point the OP tried to turn it into a bigger argument about the "entire bike industry" being a "scam".
And also, the OP wasn't just about frame materials, he asked what caused the effect in the experiment he posted a link to. A lot of us have given him some pretty serious answers, and basically "poorly designed experiment" is a pretty interesting topic.
TBH, I don't really care that much when a long-timer gets blasted for starting a "x vs. y" thread that's been done a zillion times, but I do wish people would stop blasting the newbies for it. Hell, take it as a challenge to say something new.
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I sometimes wondered how certain users managed to rack up so many posts into the tens of thousands, regardless of how long they've been active on the forum. This thread helps clarify as it's the same few long timers who need to come in every thread and try to criticize the OP, derail any conversation, and make the same jokes that weren't funny the 20th time they posted in every other new thread.
Really guys, what is so hard about just ignoring a thread if you don't think it's worth your time? Why do you need to continue to pat yourselves on the back for how amazing you are as forum users because you've derailed every previous thread on a topic and won't let one get by without your steering it away from actual discussion and into stupid arguments, and then complain about how all similar threads always end up with stupid arguments.
Really guys, what is so hard about just ignoring a thread if you don't think it's worth your time? Why do you need to continue to pat yourselves on the back for how amazing you are as forum users because you've derailed every previous thread on a topic and won't let one get by without your steering it away from actual discussion and into stupid arguments, and then complain about how all similar threads always end up with stupid arguments.
What I hate are scolding posts. What’s so hard about ignoring posts you don’t think are worth your time?
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Yesterday I weighed my steel ‘86 Bianchi Campione de Mundo and it came in at a ‘very svelte’ 25 lbs. Combine that with racing gears and the slowest of slow tires, Gatorskins and this girly man has one heck of a time pushing that bike as fast or far as my carbon Bianchi with GP 5000 tubulars, weighing 8 lbs less. By your criteria, I must be worthless and weak, but I can certainly live with that just fine. If you would like to take my 86 for a spin, you are more than welcome to enjoy the beauty of Columbus steel. Lance would approve.
Yet a bike that is 5lbs lighter than another bike all else being equal is going to be faster and the weight is a good proxy indicator for the extra speed even though the weight itself changes little. This is because a bike that is lighter is stiffer. The lighter means that the material can be made to flex less while being thinner hence the weight savings and it's that flexing less that allows more of your power to spin the wheels as opposed to moving the frame. So the weight is a good measurement for how fast a bike will be but not because it's lighter, but rather that lighter bikes are more efficient and thus faster.
The difference is often amplified because lighter bikes are also more expensive thus nicer so all the componentry will be better. You have better groupsets, as I said lighter wheels too and these items all put together also help to make the bike faster assuming same rider and same power output.
Aero makes a huge difference though. Maybe not the frame or the bar but your body position especially does. Try getting on the drops or if you have a flat bar bike just lean more forward you will go for same effort about ~2mph faster depending on speed.
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I sometimes wondered how certain users managed to rack up so many posts into the tens of thousands, regardless of how long they've been active on the forum. This thread helps clarify as it's the same few long timers who need to come in every thread and try to criticize the OP, derail any conversation, and make the same jokes that weren't funny the 20th time they posted in every other new thread.
Really guys, what is so hard about just ignoring a thread if you don't think it's worth your time? Why do you need to continue to pat yourselves on the back for how amazing you are as forum users because you've derailed every previous thread on a topic and won't let one get by without your steering it away from actual discussion and into stupid arguments, and then complain about how all similar threads always end up with stupid arguments.
Really guys, what is so hard about just ignoring a thread if you don't think it's worth your time? Why do you need to continue to pat yourselves on the back for how amazing you are as forum users because you've derailed every previous thread on a topic and won't let one get by without your steering it away from actual discussion and into stupid arguments, and then complain about how all similar threads always end up with stupid arguments.
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Precisely. BF has developed a very niche group of hypocrites who tell the rest of us to ignore posts which we find irritating -- but they can't follow their own advice.
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A super fly, custom ti bike would have bested both the steel and plastic bikes.
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Titanium Man
The Titanium Men used green armor similar to that used by Iron Man and to that used by the Crimson Dynamo (their sometime compatriot). Neither suit of armor was as sophisticated as that used by Tony Stark as Iron Man,
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Crabon Fiber Man's brother?...
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(Of course, it never hurts to pack a can of HALT! just in case that approach fails.)
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It seems that over the years most of what most of you have to add it useful, but lately you are broken records refusing to allow any thread to exist without your repeated postings to derail the attempt at being a forum for people to discuss a variety of topics, whether or not it’s been done before. If we only discussed truly new topics, the forum would whither away. I guess you’re all trying to make that happen anyway so your little clique of senior members can all just keep agreeing with how right you are about everything and everyone else is unworthy of the kilobytes of storage our messages take up on the server….
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It’s the entire thread I want you to ignore, not individual posts. When a few of you account for 75% of the posts on a thread you didn’t start and most of those are your complaints that it’s not a viable thread, or quips relating to other threads you disapprove of, then those actually interested in discussing the intended topic can’t break through that mess to have a conversation and then you all just keep patting each other on the back for your perceived internet victory showing your viewpoint that the discussion isn’t worthy.
It seems that over the years most of what most of you have to add it useful, but lately you are broken records refusing to allow any thread to exist without your repeated postings to derail the attempt at being a forum for people to discuss a variety of topics, whether or not it’s been done before. If we only discussed truly new topics, the forum would whither away. I guess you’re all trying to make that happen anyway so your little clique of senior members can all just keep agreeing with how right you are about everything and everyone else is unworthy of the kilobytes of storage our messages take up on the server….
It seems that over the years most of what most of you have to add it useful, but lately you are broken records refusing to allow any thread to exist without your repeated postings to derail the attempt at being a forum for people to discuss a variety of topics, whether or not it’s been done before. If we only discussed truly new topics, the forum would whither away. I guess you’re all trying to make that happen anyway so your little clique of senior members can all just keep agreeing with how right you are about everything and everyone else is unworthy of the kilobytes of storage our messages take up on the server….
The original poster here gave 'his' game away way back in his post #11: the original post was, of course, just a Trojan Horse for the good ole' 'Big Bike Scam' meme. That's fine, but you really cannot blame others ('us') for having some fun with this, surely?
But, hey ... let's 'drill down' and 'lean in', as they (whoever they are) say. I had some fun actually going to and looking at the original 'test report' the op cited. Gold, Jerry, Gold!! I was impressed.
First, I learnt some things I did not know before. For example, I learnt that the Trek Madone is an example of a new kind of road bike ... an "aerobatic" bicycle. Who knew? But did I stop there? No, I did not. I read more closely, and slowly but surely came to realize that the original 'test report' cited by the op is, in fact, not-very-thinly disguised bicycle porn. Quite literally!
Mine eyes were opened when I noted that the test report's author needed a few seconds fewer and a few watts fewer to achieve ... something ... on the steel bike than on "the Madonna". Hmmmm, I thought, something lurks below the surface here.
So I read on. And then I encountered the author's reference to being ready (so to speak) -- "Up again" -- and continuing with his 'tests'. These included "short strokes", on both bicycles, and he then points out that "he hit the wad precisely". Whether or not this was done on "a shady and toadstool road" alongside "Lugano Lake" in the shadow of "vertical mountains" I cannot say, but an impressive feat nevertheless.
I maintain, therefore, that I have taken the op and his original post entirely seriously, through close and careful reading, and tried my best to exercise due diligence and respond intelligently and helpfully to the thread's subject.
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It’s the entire thread I want you to ignore, not individual posts. When a few of you account for 75% of the posts on a thread you didn’t start and most of those are your complaints that it’s not a viable thread, or quips relating to other threads you disapprove of, then those actually interested in discussing the intended topic can’t break through that mess to have a conversation and then you all just keep patting each other on the back for your perceived internet victory showing your viewpoint that the discussion isn’t worthy.
It seems that over the years most of what most of you have to add it useful, but lately you are broken records refusing to allow any thread to exist without your repeated postings to derail the attempt at being a forum for people to discuss a variety of topics, whether or not it’s been done before. If we only discussed truly new topics, the forum would whither away. I guess you’re all trying to make that happen anyway so your little clique of senior members can all just keep agreeing with how right you are about everything and everyone else is unworthy of the kilobytes of storage our messages take up on the server….
It seems that over the years most of what most of you have to add it useful, but lately you are broken records refusing to allow any thread to exist without your repeated postings to derail the attempt at being a forum for people to discuss a variety of topics, whether or not it’s been done before. If we only discussed truly new topics, the forum would whither away. I guess you’re all trying to make that happen anyway so your little clique of senior members can all just keep agreeing with how right you are about everything and everyone else is unworthy of the kilobytes of storage our messages take up on the server….