The Need for Basic Bikes
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Make one shifting assembly from thicker metal rather than two from what they do. If you can do 21 speed that works even momentarily for $129, you should be able to do 8 that has some service life for $250.
You also probably didn’t load your bike up with clothes for commuting or groceries or other items.
If you look in the world where single speed is used extensively, those places tend to be in relatively flat areas.
We got a mess of them from the local ride share when Lime and Uber killed the ride share system in Denver. We sold a few of them for $10 but we had a whole bunch more that we couldn’t even give away.
You keep going on about index shifting. It’s not that expensive nor that hard to keep operating. The expensive part...the research and development...was paid for long ago. You seem to think it adds hundreds of dollars to the price of the bike. It adds pennies, if even that.
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The biggest thing with department store bikes is that the assembly is such a roll of the dice. Retail assembly is usually done by piece-rate contract assemblers, rather than store employees, and there's neither time nor room allowed for more than a cursory function check, let alone a test-ride. If you, the buyer have little to no mechanical knowledge, particularly about adjusting bike components, then you may get home with a bike that doesn't work right, and no other option than to return it to the store for another one.
Those "return the whole thing" cases are already priced into the sticker price too - something obviously inefficient, that happens because a big box store isn't organizationally set up to do anything but sell and take returns (many of which end up in the dumpster).
There are some not-bad bikes out there.
At $259 : The Schwinn Ranger 26" MTB. All steel, even the bars and seatpost. 3x7 'A' series Grip-shift Shimano, with V-brakes. I actually have a used one, that my 12-year-old learned how to ride on. It's definitely a cost-point bike, but it doesn't have any silly features, other than a basic coil-spring fork, and has been holding up well to the bumps and bangs of a rookie rider. I'm not surprised that it seems to be durable, it probably weighs 40 lbs. It's a tank.
It may actually have potential if one gets "a good one". But there are also things that might go quickly wrong that may not be immediately visible. It's especially the kind of thing where one year it might have been decent, and then another they substituted cheaper bearings/bearing surfaces and ruined it - and you'd never be able to tell what was going to have accelerated wear when looking at it in the store, but at most if you knew what you were looking for detect that something was already wrong before it had been ridden at all.
It is however along the lines of what I see as demonstrating that with more care to narrow it to the important features only (eg, drop the suspension fork and front derailleur) and manufacture them right, and then delegate assembly to those who actually know something, something is possible.
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I remember helping a man with a flat. He was trying to get to work. His pay was going to support his family. The tires on his BSO mountain bike were so rotten that I could see the inner tube. I pumped him up to 20 psi or so; I didn’t want the tire to fail.
As we move to bicycles for transport at scale and not just for the economically desperate, appropriate bicycles will be demanded (and supplied) as you see in other countries.
The original Streetsblog article was essentially an advertisement for co-ops. They serve a useful purpose for the transportation market as it stands today: dominated by people who can’t afford tires.
As we move to bicycles for transport at scale and not just for the economically desperate, appropriate bicycles will be demanded (and supplied) as you see in other countries.
The original Streetsblog article was essentially an advertisement for co-ops. They serve a useful purpose for the transportation market as it stands today: dominated by people who can’t afford tires.
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Maybe try treading it a bit more carefully - it's quite clear
You'd be surprised what I carry on a distance ride. And in terms of grocery shopping, adding 10-15% of ones body weight to the rolling load doesn't make that big a difference in utility cycling. Most economically disadvantaged folks in first-world countries are (unfortunately) grocery shopping in small quantities anyway, because they don't have the cash on hand to buy the larger quantities that have cheaper unit price - the "expensive to be poor" trap is quite comprehensive.
Not only - never having to resort to "two foot gear" is a privilege, not a right. But given that a $129 bike can have a flimsy 21 speed drivetrain, its clear that a solid but simpler 1-x-something is possible at twice that price.
Sounds like people in your area had better options than durable but heavy share bikes - which is a very good thing! But that's not true everywhere. If there were plenty of used good bikes available everywhere people needed them, that article wouldn't have been written.
You keep not reading what I actually wrote, and imagining something I didn't. The reason for avoiding something precision like index shifting, is that in avoiding it, you remove something that needs maintenance and adjustment to keep working right. "My bike doesn't shift right becomes" "I move the lever until it's happy". Maybe you can get a BSO's derailleur properly adjusted - the coop mechanic who posted in response to the article couldn't. More than a few bike touring folks opt out of index shifting for the same reason of having less to worry about in the field. But it's only one example of the whole theme of keeping things simple to keep them affordably functional.
You'd be surprised what I carry on a distance ride. And in terms of grocery shopping, adding 10-15% of ones body weight to the rolling load doesn't make that big a difference in utility cycling. Most economically disadvantaged folks in first-world countries are (unfortunately) grocery shopping in small quantities anyway, because they don't have the cash on hand to buy the larger quantities that have cheaper unit price - the "expensive to be poor" trap is quite comprehensive.
Not only - never having to resort to "two foot gear" is a privilege, not a right. But given that a $129 bike can have a flimsy 21 speed drivetrain, its clear that a solid but simpler 1-x-something is possible at twice that price.
Sounds like people in your area had better options than durable but heavy share bikes - which is a very good thing! But that's not true everywhere. If there were plenty of used good bikes available everywhere people needed them, that article wouldn't have been written.
You keep not reading what I actually wrote, and imagining something I didn't. The reason for avoiding something precision like index shifting, is that in avoiding it, you remove something that needs maintenance and adjustment to keep working right. "My bike doesn't shift right becomes" "I move the lever until it's happy". Maybe you can get a BSO's derailleur properly adjusted - the coop mechanic who posted in response to the article couldn't. More than a few bike touring folks opt out of index shifting for the same reason of having less to worry about in the field. But it's only one example of the whole theme of keeping things simple to keep them affordably functional.
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I have no use for such a thing.
So you don't even want/need the bike you describe?
The article linked in the first post was about people who want and need them, but can't get them.
that article is a add or feel good piece for that business. I respect what Coops do but people can get bikes.
That's not to deny that many would probably prefer a car if they had the choice, but that's orders of magnitude further out of reach.
a car is easier to get by huge margins. bad, credit, no credit 99 dollars down its all you need. buy here pay here lots are all over the country. If I had zero credit or horrible credit and two pay stubs I could go get a car within the hour. I don't think any of the local bike shops do buy here pay here and maybe only one or two will take a trade in.
Economic desperation bike transport is very much a thing.
what like homeless with no job? Being a drunk looser with no license is more of a thing the economic desperation.
But yes, it's true that the reason good inexpensive bikes aren't on the market when they could be, is that it would take a joint change on both the selling and buying side - neither could switch without the other.
So you don't even want/need the bike you describe?
The article linked in the first post was about people who want and need them, but can't get them.
that article is a add or feel good piece for that business. I respect what Coops do but people can get bikes.
That's not to deny that many would probably prefer a car if they had the choice, but that's orders of magnitude further out of reach.
a car is easier to get by huge margins. bad, credit, no credit 99 dollars down its all you need. buy here pay here lots are all over the country. If I had zero credit or horrible credit and two pay stubs I could go get a car within the hour. I don't think any of the local bike shops do buy here pay here and maybe only one or two will take a trade in.
Economic desperation bike transport is very much a thing.
what like homeless with no job? Being a drunk looser with no license is more of a thing the economic desperation.
But yes, it's true that the reason good inexpensive bikes aren't on the market when they could be, is that it would take a joint change on both the selling and buying side - neither could switch without the other.
the majority only see bikes as toys not transport. if you want to solve a problem that is the one to focus on. If bikes become a reasonable means of transport in this county all of sudden $500 bikes wont seem out of reach.
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No doubt about it.
But the article and this thread are specifically about the people who already want bikes - either by choice, or by necessity of no other option.
Pretending they don't exist is just proving you have nothing to contribute to this thread - your claims about car purchase were so clueless as to be hilariously comical, if they weren't so sad.
But feel free to start yet another thread about advocating that people consider bikes, as for climate issues that's indeed important too.
But the article and this thread are specifically about the people who already want bikes - either by choice, or by necessity of no other option.
Pretending they don't exist is just proving you have nothing to contribute to this thread - your claims about car purchase were so clueless as to be hilariously comical, if they weren't so sad.
But feel free to start yet another thread about advocating that people consider bikes, as for climate issues that's indeed important too.
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I thought so.
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No doubt about it.
But the article and this thread are specifically about the people who already want bikes - either by choice, or by necessity of no other option.
Pretending they don't exist is just proving you have nothing to contribute to this thread - your claims about car purchase were so clueless as to be hilariously comical, if they weren't so sad.
But feel free to start yet another thread about advocating that people consider bikes, as for climate issues that's indeed important too.
But the article and this thread are specifically about the people who already want bikes - either by choice, or by necessity of no other option.
Pretending they don't exist is just proving you have nothing to contribute to this thread - your claims about car purchase were so clueless as to be hilariously comical, if they weren't so sad.
But feel free to start yet another thread about advocating that people consider bikes, as for climate issues that's indeed important too.
My comments about car ownership and purchase are real world. find me a bike shop that will let you walk out the door with a 1500-5000 bike with two pay stubs and $99 down and no credit check.
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Not to do so and then operate it legally.
Start with the federal documentation mandates to get even get a license - community forums regularly get posts from thoroughly middle class native-born people complaining about procedural difficulties there.
Then you need registration fees.
Then in all but a handful of states, you'll need to buy mandatory insurance coverage before you can register it...
Even if you've got a salesman / finance manager willing to give a car away without any evidence of likelihood to ever see a single payment, there are still huge obstacles.
Then you need a place to park it...
That's why desperation-forced utility cycling is a thing.
In ignoring those payed in cash, you're ignoring some of the major categories of economic desperation bike users.
Is that employment illegal? Probably. Does that mean one might as well compound it by driving an uninsured vehicle without a license? No.
Start with the federal documentation mandates to get even get a license - community forums regularly get posts from thoroughly middle class native-born people complaining about procedural difficulties there.
Then you need registration fees.
Then in all but a handful of states, you'll need to buy mandatory insurance coverage before you can register it...
Even if you've got a salesman / finance manager willing to give a car away without any evidence of likelihood to ever see a single payment, there are still huge obstacles.
Then you need a place to park it...
That's why desperation-forced utility cycling is a thing.
with two pay stubs
Is that employment illegal? Probably. Does that mean one might as well compound it by driving an uninsured vehicle without a license? No.
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I don't even really disagree. I just think its a used market solution. which is already covered pretty well anywhere there is a demand for it.
the environment and infrastructure for bikes are totally different topics. if you are one of economically disenfranchised that can only move around by bike those things are more than likely really low on your radar.
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What this thread really brings home for me is how the income of Americans has stagnated. Realistically the cost of a basic bike (using the upthread quote of $89 for a bike in 1972 which is equal to $560 in 2021 greenbacks) is roughly the same as the minimum wage increase (the minimum wage was $1.25 in 1972 which is worth $7.87 now) BUT the cost of everything else has gone up more than the cost of inflation: Median house price in 1972 - $27,000 or $169,00 adjusted. Median house price 2020 was $289,000 or $6,676 in 1972 dollars.
Same is true for food, utilities etc. So while bikes in the commuter range have increased comparable to the minimum wage, nothing else has. In order to do that Bicycle manufacturing has largely left the US for China where wages (and worker living conditions) can be dismal.
So really the argument I left with is that we need to increase the minimum wage to reflect the total cost of inflation to pre-Reagan levels if we want Americans to buy better bikes.
I am all for it.
Same is true for food, utilities etc. So while bikes in the commuter range have increased comparable to the minimum wage, nothing else has. In order to do that Bicycle manufacturing has largely left the US for China where wages (and worker living conditions) can be dismal.
So really the argument I left with is that we need to increase the minimum wage to reflect the total cost of inflation to pre-Reagan levels if we want Americans to buy better bikes.
I am all for it.
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That's why I was suggesting moving the assembly out of the store and instead contract it to a community organization that can care a bit about bikes and do the work while sharing that knowledge. And also have them work from pallets of parts, rather than having to make a "bike" out of the contents of each kitted box, so that bad parts can be individually discarded rather than having to decide between using them or putting the whole "bike" in the store dumpster.
It is however along the lines of what I see as demonstrating that with more care to narrow it to the important features only (eg, drop the suspension fork and front derailleur) and manufacture them right, and then delegate assembly to those who actually know something, something is possible.
It is however along the lines of what I see as demonstrating that with more care to narrow it to the important features only (eg, drop the suspension fork and front derailleur) and manufacture them right, and then delegate assembly to those who actually know something, something is possible.
I appreciate where you're heart's at, but there's a lot of things that don't scale when you try to apply the 'Co-Op' workshop model to a big-box retail supply chain.
That final delivery leg alone would introduce a whole lot of labor, expense and extra risk to the product. Bikes come in flat boxes because it's easier to transport them that way. They're usually mostly complete, as well. 'Final Assembly' as takes place in the stores is pretty much a matter of installing the front wheel, and attaching the (already assembled / cabled) handlebar and stem to the head tube. Maybe installing the saddle. (That's how BikesDirect does it, too) Even higher end bikes going to bike shops already have major subassemblies done by the factory. Very few retail bikes arrive at their sales destination as a bare frame, wheelset, and 'box of components'
Moving complete bikes without risk of damage takes a lot more time and care and equipment than just loading a pallet of boxes on to a delivery truck. THULE and Yakima have made very good business over the years, doing just that. So now you also need dedicated delivery vehicles, with appropriately licensed and insured drivers, as well as the operating costs of those vehicles.
Same goes for the 'workshop' with 'pallets of parts' idea. That's pretty much a production line. That's not really a thing that you're going to find a community outreach group that wants to take that on. Who will your assemblers be? Will they be paid a comparable wage to typical assembly work, or will they be working "for the good of the cause?" Have you ever worked on an assembly line? It's a tough thing to do day in and day out, and not everyone has the capability for it. In order to get people with the skills and mentality to do a good job, you've either got to have a good incentive, or get full buy-in on your goal.
From a nuts-and-bolts perspective, unless you limit your production to a single model per facility, you're going to start getting into inventory and production control issues. I spent a couple of decades in production and assembly, and model change-overs are the riskiest part of a production day, as far as the possibility of making errors goes.
Unless your production model is for each assembler to get a frame and 'build sheet' then 'shop' the required components from 'the pallets'
How many bikes is this operation going to supply per week/month/season? How will you account for period of high seasonal demand?
Now, I can see this <somewhat> working if, instead of supplying a big-box retailer, your Cooperative Bike Factory is also the point of sale. That would add some overhead, but also cut out all the final transportation leg. You'd need to locate it where these unbanked, car-less potential customers live however.
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Not to do so and then operate it legally.
So you are talking about raging drunk/drug addict people maybe deadbeats that don't pay child support? Yeah I don't care if they can get a bike or a car.
Start with the federal documentation mandates to get even get a license - community forums regularly get posts from thoroughly middle class native-born people complaining about procedural difficulties there.
Then you need registration fees.
Then in all but a handful of states, you'll need to buy mandatory insurance coverage before you can register it...
Even if you've got a salesman / finance manager willing to give a car away without any evidence of likelihood to ever see a single payment, there are still huge obstacles.
Then you need a place to park it...
That's why desperation-forced utility cycling is a thing.
In ignoring those payed in cash, you're ignoring some of the major categories of economic desperation bike users.
Is that employment illegal? Probably. Does that mean one might as well compound it by driving an uninsured vehicle without a license? No.
So you are talking about raging drunk/drug addict people maybe deadbeats that don't pay child support? Yeah I don't care if they can get a bike or a car.
Start with the federal documentation mandates to get even get a license - community forums regularly get posts from thoroughly middle class native-born people complaining about procedural difficulties there.
Then you need registration fees.
Then in all but a handful of states, you'll need to buy mandatory insurance coverage before you can register it...
Even if you've got a salesman / finance manager willing to give a car away without any evidence of likelihood to ever see a single payment, there are still huge obstacles.
Then you need a place to park it...
That's why desperation-forced utility cycling is a thing.
In ignoring those payed in cash, you're ignoring some of the major categories of economic desperation bike users.
Is that employment illegal? Probably. Does that mean one might as well compound it by driving an uninsured vehicle without a license? No.
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That Schwinn Ranger 26, and my Cannondale F-1000 have almost the exact same part count (ignoring the suspension forks) Both of them are stereotypical MTB's with V-brakes, and cable operated 3x7/8 shifting. It wouldn't take any more time to build up one of them or the other. Why is the Cannondale 5X more expensive than the Schwinn? It all comes down to the materials and components used. (I'm sure the USA-built 'Dales' frame was much more labor intensive to make, but that bike also weight half of what the Schwinn does)
'Assembly' on a department store bike is even less intensive than you realize, pretty much just installing the front wheel and the (already assembled and cabled) handlebar on to the stem.
The contract assemblers get paid by the piece, so there's no incentive for them to check anything that isn't glaringly obvious, and there certianly isn't time or space for anything more than a basic function check, let alone a test-ride.
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I’m not getting your point here. Your first sentence makes no sense. . . . About those [rideshare bikes]. We got a mess of them from the local ride share when Lime and Uber killed the ride share system in Denver. We sold a few of them for $10 but we had a whole bunch more that we couldn’t even give away.
It appears that those three-speed rideshare bikes are heavy but well-built bikes, designed to be durable enough for many miles of use without frequent maintenance being needed. If there are hundreds or thousands of them being retired from service and essentially discarded, Uber, etc., should be able to get substantial tax write-offs by donating them to bike coops in areas where low-income people, non-binary and otherwise, can buy them for a reasonable fee that would serve to support the bike coop.
In other words: at least some low-income people in the U.S. want or need affordable and reliable bikes. Coincidentally and concurrently, companies that were renting large numbers of rideshare bikes want out of the business. Two birds, one stone. I'm sure that it can't be that easy. What am I missing?
By the way, that "ship pallets of frames and pallets of parts for assembly in the U.S." idea---don't see that working, to put it politely.
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If you want the bikes to be as affordable as possible, you have them assembled overseas, where labor costs are much lower. OP's fantasy about "camps" where people assemble their own bikes, or some such scheme, would likely only raise assembly costs since you would need people to teach, manage, and correct the unskilled bike assemblers.
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So basically, your model is to have the bikes manufactured locally. (Assembled from components) and delivered to the stores complete and ready to ride?
I appreciate where you're heart's at, but there's a lot of things that don't scale when you try to apply the 'Co-Op' workshop model to a big-box retail supply chain.
That final delivery leg alone would introduce a whole lot of labor, expense and extra risk to the product.
I appreciate where you're heart's at, but there's a lot of things that don't scale when you try to apply the 'Co-Op' workshop model to a big-box retail supply chain.
That final delivery leg alone would introduce a whole lot of labor, expense and extra risk to the product.
How many bikes is this operation going to supply per week/month/season? How will you account for period of high seasonal demand?
Have you ever worked on an assembly line? It's a tough thing to do day in and day out
One of the base assumptions is that this isn't a constant flood of bikes to be built, but rather relatively low numbers built up as needed to re-stock the store's very limited storage and showroom space - could be 3 one week, 20 the next.
Same goes for the 'workshop' with 'pallets of parts' idea. That's pretty much a production line. That's not really a thing that you're going to find a community outreach group that wants to take that on. Who will your assemblers be? Will they be paid a comparable wage to typical assembly work, or will they be working "for the good of the cause?"
From a nuts-and-bolts perspective, unless you limit your production to a single model per facility, you're going to start getting into inventory and production control issues.
But note that bike co-ops try to do this kind of thing when their feed is overwhelmingly eclectic, narrowed only by the point at which they start declining / throwing away what is just too oddball.
Now, I can see this <somewhat> working if, instead of supplying a big-box retailer, your Cooperative Bike Factory is also the point of sale. That would add some overhead
You'd need to locate it where these unbanked, car-less potential customers live however.
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What it makes sense to do at the factory vs. what should be done on site has tradeoffs - I do think doing more of it at the point of use makes it more possible to keep faulty components out of the bikes (vs trashing the entire bike worth of parts), but that's something to be evaluated during the actual running of such an endeavor.
fantasy about "camps" where people assemble their own bikes, or some such scheme, would likely only raise assembly costs since you would need people to teach, manage, and correct the unskilled bike assemblers.
That's why for example they'd have hand-built wheels - to maximize the experience, even though any budget bike destined for the store is of course going to have ones machine built in a factory half a world away.
(Co-ops routinely replace spokes and true wheels - the irony is that it's actually a lot easier for a newbie to build a wheel from all new undamaged parts, than it is to true a beat up one)
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It appears that those three-speed rideshare bikes are heavy but well-built bikes, designed to be durable enough for many miles of use without frequent maintenance being needed. If there are hundreds or thousands of them being retired from service and essentially discarded, Uber, etc., should be able to get substantial tax write-offs by donating them to bike coops in areas where low-income people, non-binary and otherwise, can buy them for a reasonable fee that would serve to support the bike coop.
In other words: at least some low-income people in the U.S. want or need affordable and reliable bikes. Coincidentally and concurrently, companies that were renting large numbers of rideshare bikes want out of the business. Two birds, one stone. I'm sure that it can't be that easy. What am I missing?.
In other words: at least some low-income people in the U.S. want or need affordable and reliable bikes. Coincidentally and concurrently, companies that were renting large numbers of rideshare bikes want out of the business. Two birds, one stone. I'm sure that it can't be that easy. What am I missing?.
On the other side of that coin, if I was a Co-Op bike mechanic, I'd be wary of taking on a bunch of ex bikeshare bikes. They use a lot of tamper-resistant fasteners to prevent vandalism, and the dockless bikes also have GPS/App-controled locks to prevent unauthorised use, so you'd have to defeat / convert all of that stuff, which requires time, and specialized tools that you typically don't find in any bike shop.
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My guess, after reading the sentence in question a few times, is that UniChris meant that manufacturers should use higher-quality steel to build more-durable rear derailleurs for entry-level bikes and should offset the added expense by refraining from installing front derailleurs on those bikes.
It appears that those three-speed rideshare bikes are heavy but well-built bikes, designed to be durable enough for many miles of use without frequent maintenance being needed. If there are hundreds or thousands of them being retired from service and essentially discarded, Uber, etc., should be able to get substantial tax write-offs by donating them to bike coops in areas where low-income people, non-binary and otherwise, can buy them for a reasonable fee that would serve to support the bike coop.
In other words: at least some low-income people in the U.S. want or need affordable and reliable bikes. Coincidentally and concurrently, companies that were renting large numbers of rideshare bikes want out of the business. Two birds, one stone. I'm sure that it can't be that easy. What am I missing?
By the way, that "ship pallets of frames and pallets of parts for assembly in the U.S." idea---don't see that working, to put it politely.
It appears that those three-speed rideshare bikes are heavy but well-built bikes, designed to be durable enough for many miles of use without frequent maintenance being needed. If there are hundreds or thousands of them being retired from service and essentially discarded, Uber, etc., should be able to get substantial tax write-offs by donating them to bike coops in areas where low-income people, non-binary and otherwise, can buy them for a reasonable fee that would serve to support the bike coop.
In other words: at least some low-income people in the U.S. want or need affordable and reliable bikes. Coincidentally and concurrently, companies that were renting large numbers of rideshare bikes want out of the business. Two birds, one stone. I'm sure that it can't be that easy. What am I missing?
By the way, that "ship pallets of frames and pallets of parts for assembly in the U.S." idea---don't see that working, to put it politely.
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Best thread ever.
OP reads an uniformed and ridiculous article that states that there is a ‘critical bike-equity barrier’ and he then surmises all on his own that the ‘unbanked’ need a quality $200 bike.
Nevermind that the unbanked represent only 5% of the population and half of them have plenty of money to buy a $500 bike. They are simply unbanked because they don’t trust banks or don’t want to pay bank fees.
Also never mind that there are many other options out there for very serviceable $200 bicycles.
SJW’s are so cool
OP reads an uniformed and ridiculous article that states that there is a ‘critical bike-equity barrier’ and he then surmises all on his own that the ‘unbanked’ need a quality $200 bike.
Nevermind that the unbanked represent only 5% of the population and half of them have plenty of money to buy a $500 bike. They are simply unbanked because they don’t trust banks or don’t want to pay bank fees.
Also never mind that there are many other options out there for very serviceable $200 bicycles.
SJW’s are so cool
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Asking why we don't have a better, simpler, cheaper new bike is like wondering why a simple, cheap new car doesn't exist. And neither exists for the same reason - there's a used market sucking up all the demand at that price point.
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Oh, but there COULD be simple, cheap new cars. There SHOULD be. Trainees and volunteers could lovingly assemble them from bulk shipments received from abroad. Assembled locally, of course, as demand necessitates, so inventory and storage would be minimized. People would come to build the cars not for the money but for the adventure and experience of doing so just for the satisfaction. Obviously it's better than just parking oneself in front of the TV all day. Pay's the same either way so why not?
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