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Old 06-17-22, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent
Didnt most of you convert to engineers or brakeman?
I’m training as an engineer but enjoy the mental challenge of firing.
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As a qualified steam locomotive fireman, I may be one of the few here who gets this reference...
I got it although referring to a fireman on diesels. My uncle was a fireman on the SP for many years. As a kid I was told his job was to open the fuel valve at the beginning of a run and close it before going home. His other responsibility was to make sure the horn was blown when the train passed my grandfathers paint factory in West Berkeley. Triangle paint named after the three partners who founded the place. Made a fortune making red, white and blue paint for Chevron. Oh, and also Sage Grey as used on our house and applied by each of us four brothers in our turn.

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Originally Posted by DMC707
If the question is "quality" rim brakes and components - i better understand now

Was looking for good 26" tubeless compatible mountain bike tires not too long ago --- everyone catalogues a model or 2 - but finding any in stock is a royal pain -- and we are less than 10 years removed from the 26'ers
Sort of, but not quite; not a lot of overlap between 26ers and tubeless.
Mainstream availability of Tubeless goes with the shift in first-line MTBs to the “Big Wheel” era (29/27.5)

Kinda like 1” threadless headsets; “transition era” stuff gets hard to find
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As a qualified steam locomotive fireman, I may be one of the few here who gets this reference...
Great Smokey Railroad?
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Old 06-18-22, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by smd4
As a qualified steam locomotive fireman, I may be one of the few here who gets this reference...

You mentioned steam?
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Old 06-18-22, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mtbikerjohn
Great Smokey Railroad?
New Hope Valley Railway, Bonsal, NC.
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I had a great grandfather who was an engineer for the PRR, till somebody sideswiped his locomotive in a yard accident, tore open a steam pipe, and scalded him. That was 102 years ago.
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Originally Posted by smd4
New Hope Valley Railway, Bonsal, NC.
Awesome! I was a carman for the Durango & Silverton in Colorado
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I had a great grandfather who was an engineer for the PRR, till somebody sideswiped his locomotive in a yard accident, tore open a steam pipe, and scalded him. That was 102 years ago.
wow!
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Originally Posted by mtbikerjohn
wow!
His widow, my GGM, won something like $21K from the Pennsy for the accident.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I had a great grandfather who was an engineer for the PRR, till somebody sideswiped his locomotive in a yard accident, tore open a steam pipe, and scalded him. That was 102 years ago.
How do you sideswipe a train?
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
How do you sideswipe a train?
With another locomotive. The accident was blamed on the other engineer, IIRC. Tracks curve, but locomotives don't.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
With another locomotive. The accident was blamed on the other engineer, IIRC. Tracks curve, but locomotives don't.
They don't put enough space between tracks to avoid this? Seems like that should be covered in Track Design 101.
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Old 06-18-22, 01:58 PM
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Here's a clipping -

I confess, the geometry of the crash escapes me, unless the two were headed for the same switch and the helper was supposed to be waiting for 2133 and didn't.
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Best I can tell, 2133 would have been an H6a 2-8-0 freight engine, and would look something like this:

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…I skipped over from the ‘spell-check’ vitriol of page 1 to this page…what a nice turn of events…from rim ‘breaks’ (Mavic Cosmics? &#128521 to rim brakes….now to steam locomotives. My grandfather (Jim Dunlap) was an engineer as well for Burlington Northern—“BLF&E” (Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen and Enginemen)…long live his memory.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
They don't put enough space between tracks to avoid this? Seems like that should be covered in Track Design 101.
Sounds like it occurred on a track switch. You don’t want to mess with live steam. What a horrible way to perish.
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How about those new fangled metal rims, I just dont think they have the flex of a well made wooden rim.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
How do you sideswipe a train?
You should look up the potato truck incident that happened in Durango,Co. during the "80's,I believe. A truck,loaded with potatoes, lost its brakes, and crashed thru the fence @ the railroad and hit the engine being loaded at a coal dock. Fortunately,the engine didn't explode or it would have leveled pretty much half of Durango. I worked with some old timers who were there when it happened and heard it took awhile to get the ****stains out of their bibs..
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
I think the concern isnt that rim brakes of any kind will disappear soon, its that rim brakes and connected components which are high quality will disappear soon.

Quality lightweight rim brake rims, quality brake calipers, quality brake levers(STI and dedicated), etc- these leaving the market is what many are concerned about. Posters here are typically enthusiasts and anyone wanting to keep a rim brake bike is almost certainly also someone who does not want generic stamped low end components on their bike.
I maintain a stable of vintage steel bikes (1987-1995), with quill stems, mostly cantilever brakes, 6-8 speeds in the rear, square-taper BBs, etc. I actually think there are more high-quality choices now than there were back then, with regard to brakes, shifters, cassettes and freewheels, BBs, cranksets, or anything else. Rim brakes aren't going anywhere.

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Originally Posted by mtbikerjohn
You should look up the potato truck incident that happened in Durango,Co. during the "80's,I believe. A truck,loaded with potatoes, lost its brakes, and crashed thru the fence @ the railroad and hit the engine being loaded at a coal dock. Fortunately,the engine didn't explode or it would have leveled pretty much half of Durango. I worked with some old timers who were there when it happened and heard it took awhile to get the ****stains out of their bibs..
Time for a reality check — that would have been a bigger blast than the Hiroshima bomb.
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Agreed….coal and potatoes…not a particularly ‘combustible cocktail’. …and all caused by brake/break failure….so we’ve come full circle…
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Originally Posted by Sonofamechanic

Agreed….coal and potatoes…not a particularly ‘combustible cocktail’. …and all caused by brake/break failure….so we’ve come full circle…
It’s not the coal or potatoes.

I think it’s the boiler and maintaining a pressure. I think something can go wrong with steam engines where the pressure can shoot up and pop the boiler. I think this can lead to a catastrophic explosion.

I only vaguely understand how steam engines work from a model my dad had when I was a kid.
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As I sat at a traffic light in my pickup truck, looking over at a fellow cyclist stopped there…and looking at his bike (with rim brakes)…I though of this thread, and the potential for rim brakes going away, and/or their obsolescence because of newfangled disc brakes. And then I thought “Well, the superiority of disc brakes on cars was supposed to replace drum brakes back in the 1970s. But this truck…a 2019 model…has drum brakes (albeit just on the rear). So if that’s any indicator, maybe rim brakes for bicycles won’t completely go away.

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Originally Posted by _ForceD_
As I sat at a traffic light in my pickup truck, looking over at a fellow cyclist stopped there…and looking at his bike (with rim brakes)…I though of this thread, and the potential for rim brakes going away, and/or their obsolescence because of newfangled disc brakes. And then I thought “Well, the superiority of disc brakes on cars was supposed to replace drum brakes back in the 1970s. But this truck…a 2019 model…has drum brakes (albeit just on the rear). So if that’s any indicator, maybe rim brakes for bicycles won’t completely go away.
Disc brakes are superior. Pickup trucks only put drum brakes on the rear because they're a lot cheaper.
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