Zero Length Stem
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IOW, a trike that was forced to steer as a car, steered as a car.
As soon as it was allowed to steer with lean, it did.
You know… bikes with training wheels don’t need to be counter steered. Bikes with training wheels don’t steer like bikes.
”I can make a 3 wheel vehicle steer like a car.”
Not applicable to bikes.
As soon as it was allowed to steer with lean, it did.
You know… bikes with training wheels don’t need to be counter steered. Bikes with training wheels don’t steer like bikes.
”I can make a 3 wheel vehicle steer like a car.”
Not applicable to bikes.
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In any event, it's clear that if it's true that bicycles invariably steer by the use of counter-steering (although there are plenty of examples in this thread that argue otherwise, persuasively), since the push-the-right-side-of-the-handlebar-forward-to-turn-right clearly doesn't apply for riding no hands, to say nothing of what the artistic cyclists get up to---it's a trivial truth.
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In the interest of not gumming up this thread any further, I suggest that we move conversations about how a bicycle steers to this new thread:
https://www.bikeforums.net/general-c...cle-steer.html
Apologies to the OP
https://www.bikeforums.net/general-c...cle-steer.html
Apologies to the OP
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One thing I've learned from reading Bike Forums threads over the years - every bicycle rider who has taken motorcycle classes believes fervently that bicycles cannot be ridden without counter-steering, whereas most bicycle riders who haven't taken motorcycle classes find that hard to believe.
The simple fact that a bicycle can be steered easily from the saddle while riding no hands, both in a straight line and around corners, would seem to obviate the assertion that bikes can't be steered without counter-steering as described in the quote above, and yet . . .
"Riding with no hands" is very easy to simulate simply by walking a bicycle while holding it with only one hand at the saddle. A bike being walked like that is very easy to control/steer. However, if one makes a video of that process and watches it in slow motion mode, one'll immediately notice that every steering maneuver they execute while walking the bike is initiated with ordinary lean-induced countersteering.
Last edited by AndreyT; 08-25-23 at 04:38 PM.