Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Bicycle Mechanics
Reload this Page >

Campy Racing Triple Front Derailleur

Search
Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

Campy Racing Triple Front Derailleur

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-18-24, 06:19 PM
  #1  
PromptCritical 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
PromptCritical's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: San Diego
Posts: 551

Bikes: Columbine, Paramount Track Bike, Colnago Super, Santana Tandems (1995 & 2007), Gary Fisher Piranha, Trek Wahoo, Bianchi Track Bike, a couple of Honda mountain bikes

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 268 Post(s)
Liked 182 Times in 119 Posts
Campy Racing Triple Front Derailleur

I’m looking for a Campy Racing Triple Front Derailleur and unsurprisingly can’t find one.

There are a number of Campy triples on eBay. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...fLoc=1&_sop=15

Since I’m using friction shifters does the group matter as long as they are braze-on and down pull?

I’m running a 50/39/30 crankset.
__________________
Cheers, Mike
PromptCritical is offline  
Old 05-18-24, 06:34 PM
  #2  
Aubergine 
Bad example
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Seattle and Reims
Posts: 3,282

Bikes: Peugeot: AO-8 1973, PA-10 1971, PR-10 1973, Sante 1988; Masi Gran Criterium 1975, Stevenson Tourer 1980, Stevenson Criterium 1981, Schwinn Paramount 1972, Rodriguez 2006, Gitane Federal ~1975, Holdsworth Pro, Follis 172 ~1973, Bianchi '62

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 896 Post(s)
Liked 423 Times in 199 Posts
Originally Posted by PromptCritical
I’m looking for a Campy Racing Triple Front Derailleur and unsurprisingly can’t find one. . . .

Since I’m using friction shifters does the group matter as long as they are braze-on and down pull?.
My favorite derailleur for friction shifted triples is a plain old Nuovo Record. Most modern triple front derailleurs are designed to work with a specific combination of ramped and pinned chainrings, but I just do not use a standard combination. So for me, an older derailleur with a flat cage works best. With Campy indexed front shifting, the NR does not match the pull ratio, but I've found that Huret front derailleurs from the 70s work great.
__________________
Keeping Seattle’s bike shops in business since 1978
Aubergine is offline  
Likes For Aubergine:
Old 05-18-24, 07:00 PM
  #3  
PromptCritical 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
PromptCritical's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: San Diego
Posts: 551

Bikes: Columbine, Paramount Track Bike, Colnago Super, Santana Tandems (1995 & 2007), Gary Fisher Piranha, Trek Wahoo, Bianchi Track Bike, a couple of Honda mountain bikes

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 268 Post(s)
Liked 182 Times in 119 Posts
Sounds like good advice, thank you - old school NR is pretty solid stuff!
__________________
Cheers, Mike

Last edited by PromptCritical; 05-18-24 at 07:08 PM.
PromptCritical is offline  
Old 05-18-24, 10:44 PM
  #4  
FBinNY 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 39,096

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Mentioned: 141 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5993 Post(s)
Liked 2,927 Times in 1,624 Posts
The beauty of the friction shifting world is just about everything works with just about everything else.

So, the keys are proper cage width to reasonably match the chain, and curvature and drop to match the crankset.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Likes For FBinNY:
Old 05-18-24, 11:01 PM
  #5  
Duragrouch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,329
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1067 Post(s)
Liked 571 Times in 460 Posts
When I put a (non-campy) triple on my road bike, the original 105 double FD, worked perfect. It had enough lateral travel (replaced cone and cup BB with slightly longer cartridge BB), and with just a road small ring, the cage was long enough for the chain to not drag, at least on the lower cogs (can't recall about the rest). So if you can't find a proper triple FD, a double might work.
Duragrouch is online now  
Likes For Duragrouch:
Old 05-19-24, 08:48 AM
  #6  
mpetry912 
aged to perfection
 
mpetry912's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: PacNW
Posts: 1,884

Bikes: Dinucci Allez 2.0, Richard Sachs, Alex Singer, Serotta, Masi GC, Raleigh Pro Mk.1, Hetchins, etc

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 869 Post(s)
Liked 1,310 Times in 692 Posts
+1 on the classic 1037, they are great. Will shift most triples.

pro tip - find a middle chainring with ramps and pins. this will be a mountain bike part. Really makes coming off the small ring much easier.

let me know if you need one. I also can heli-coil the clamp bolt so it will never strip.

/markp

mpetry912 is offline  
Likes For mpetry912:
Old 05-19-24, 11:50 AM
  #7  
grumpus
Senior Member
 
grumpus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,437
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 572 Post(s)
Liked 513 Times in 388 Posts
Originally Posted by Aubergine
My favorite derailleur for friction shifted triples is a plain old Nuovo Record. Most modern triple front derailleurs are designed to work with a specific combination of ramped and pinned chainrings, but I just do not use a standard combination. So for me, an older derailleur with a flat cage works best. With Campy indexed front shifting, the NR does not match the pull ratio, but I've found that Huret front derailleurs from the 70s work great.
Many years ago I used a NR front mech with a 32-52 double and it worked fine for more than ten years, I don't know if it would have enough throw to handle a triple, you might have to adjust your chainline to suit.
grumpus is offline  
Likes For grumpus:
Old 05-19-24, 11:53 AM
  #8  
Aubergine 
Bad example
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Seattle and Reims
Posts: 3,282

Bikes: Peugeot: AO-8 1973, PA-10 1971, PR-10 1973, Sante 1988; Masi Gran Criterium 1975, Stevenson Tourer 1980, Stevenson Criterium 1981, Schwinn Paramount 1972, Rodriguez 2006, Gitane Federal ~1975, Holdsworth Pro, Follis 172 ~1973, Bianchi '62

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 896 Post(s)
Liked 423 Times in 199 Posts
Originally Posted by grumpus
Many years ago I used a NR front mech with a 32-52 double and it worked fine for more than ten years, I don't know if it would have enough throw to handle a triple, you might have to adjust your chainline to suit.
Oh yep, it has plenty of throw for a triple.
__________________
Keeping Seattle’s bike shops in business since 1978
Aubergine is offline  
Old 05-20-24, 09:16 AM
  #9  
mpetry912 
aged to perfection
 
mpetry912's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: PacNW
Posts: 1,884

Bikes: Dinucci Allez 2.0, Richard Sachs, Alex Singer, Serotta, Masi GC, Raleigh Pro Mk.1, Hetchins, etc

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 869 Post(s)
Liked 1,310 Times in 692 Posts
Originally Posted by Aubergine
Oh yep, it has plenty of throw for a triple.
it does indeed. However with a triple your adjustments become more critical. Derailleur alignment and chain length expecially.

/markp
mpetry912 is offline  
Old 05-20-24, 10:21 AM
  #10  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 14,850

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 532 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3295 Post(s)
Liked 4,079 Times in 1,509 Posts
If you aren't worried about being matchy-matchy, a Microshift or even (dare I say) Shimano triple front derailleur will even work. I've done this and as much as I hate to admit it, it shifts better than Campy Racing Triple front derailleurs. But with friction, or even the ratcheting front Ergos, any triple deraiilleur will do. The ones I mentioned don't have much branding on the front derailleur, so you can do it without looking like a heretic.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline  
Likes For Andy_K:
Old 05-21-24, 05:32 AM
  #11  
PromptCritical 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
PromptCritical's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: San Diego
Posts: 551

Bikes: Columbine, Paramount Track Bike, Colnago Super, Santana Tandems (1995 & 2007), Gary Fisher Piranha, Trek Wahoo, Bianchi Track Bike, a couple of Honda mountain bikes

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 268 Post(s)
Liked 182 Times in 119 Posts
Originally Posted by Andy_K
If you aren't worried about being matchy-matchy, a Microshift or even (dare I say) Shimano triple front derailleur will even work. I've done this and as much as I hate to admit it, it shifts better than Campy Racing Triple front derailleurs. But with friction, or even the ratcheting front Ergos, any triple deraiilleur will do. The ones I mentioned don't have much branding on the front derailleur, so you can do it without looking like a heretic.
Thanks. Any suggestions on which models have wide cages?
__________________
Cheers, Mike
PromptCritical is offline  
Old 05-21-24, 10:12 PM
  #12  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 14,850

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 532 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3295 Post(s)
Liked 4,079 Times in 1,509 Posts
Originally Posted by PromptCritical
Thanks. Any suggestions on which models have wide cages?
Pretty much any that are made for triples. They’re easy to spot visually. They should look like this.



I grabbed that image from here, but it looks like they only have the black model in stock. It’s hard to find triple derailleurs new anymore. Shop around and you should be able to find something.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline  
Old 05-21-24, 10:43 PM
  #13  
Duragrouch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,329
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1067 Post(s)
Liked 571 Times in 460 Posts
I have a microshift 3x9 front derailleur, shifts great, but the spring is way too stiff for me, unable to use with gripshift. Trigger shifter is better but still high force. With downtube shifters it may be fine, but I'd still try to avoid. Unfortunately, typical shimano FDs have a different linkage, they won't mount straight on my braze-on adaptor for my bike (no FD braze on, diameter too big for all band-clamp FDs).
Duragrouch is online now  
Likes For Duragrouch:
Old 05-27-24, 06:22 AM
  #14  
XTR
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 81

Bikes: Cannondale Delta V 2000, C-dale SuperV Active, Bridgestone RB-1, Colnago Master, Izalco Pro 4.0, Carbon Superfly 100

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
I kept looking till I found the one I needed for my triple rebuild on my Colnago. Eventually they pop up on ebay, when you see it don't dally, buy it.
XTR is offline  
Old 05-28-24, 06:36 AM
  #15  
bblair
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Posts: 798

Bikes: Lynskey R230, Trek 5200, 1975 Raleigh Pro, 1973 Falcon ,Trek T50 Tandem and a 1968 Paramount in progress.

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 401 Post(s)
Liked 417 Times in 247 Posts
I have a very old Campy NR front der for my Campy triple and it works. Barely, but it works. I don't spend much time in the big ring on this bike. All friction shift with Shimano bar ends.
bblair is offline  
Old 05-28-24, 08:12 AM
  #16  
PromptCritical 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
PromptCritical's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: San Diego
Posts: 551

Bikes: Columbine, Paramount Track Bike, Colnago Super, Santana Tandems (1995 & 2007), Gary Fisher Piranha, Trek Wahoo, Bianchi Track Bike, a couple of Honda mountain bikes

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 268 Post(s)
Liked 182 Times in 119 Posts
Originally Posted by Andy_K
If you aren't worried about being matchy-matchy, a Microshift or even (dare I say) Shimano triple front derailleur will even work. I've done this and as much as I hate to admit it, it shifts better than Campy Racing Triple front derailleurs. But with friction, or even the ratcheting front Ergos, any triple deraiilleur will do. The ones I mentioned don't have much branding on the front derailleur, so you can do it without looking like a heretic.
Unfortunately, it is going on a Vintage Columbine, which is going to be all Campy.
__________________
Cheers, Mike
PromptCritical is offline  
Old 05-29-24, 07:14 AM
  #17  
SJX426 
Senior Member
 
SJX426's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
Posts: 9,627

Bikes: '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, '94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster, Tern Link D8

Mentioned: 74 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1633 Post(s)
Liked 2,256 Times in 1,126 Posts
I converted my Pinarello from Dura Ace 740x to Racing T. I couldn't find a Racing T FD at the time so installed a Record FD. Works very well. The new ones like the Record have shapes in the cage to help in the shifting along with an angular movement when shifting. I tried to use a double but it wouldn't get past the big ring (52). The difference was in the length of the arms from the base to the cage.
__________________
Bikes don't stand alone. They are two tired.
SJX426 is offline  
Likes For SJX426:
Old 05-29-24, 12:35 PM
  #18  
PromptCritical 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
PromptCritical's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: San Diego
Posts: 551

Bikes: Columbine, Paramount Track Bike, Colnago Super, Santana Tandems (1995 & 2007), Gary Fisher Piranha, Trek Wahoo, Bianchi Track Bike, a couple of Honda mountain bikes

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 268 Post(s)
Liked 182 Times in 119 Posts
Originally Posted by SJX426
I converted my Pinarello from Dura Ace 740x to Racing T. I couldn't find a Racing T FD at the time so installed a Record FD. Works very well. The new ones like the Record have shapes in the cage to help in the shifting along with an angular movement when shifting. I tried to use a double but it wouldn't get past the big ring (52). The difference was in the length of the arms from the base to the cage.
I found this Record FD on FleaBay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/17613902023...Bk9SR-ro99n4Yw

What does the "QS" mean?
__________________
Cheers, Mike
PromptCritical is offline  
Old 05-29-24, 03:42 PM
  #19  
BCDrums
Recreational Road Cyclist
 
BCDrums's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: MetroWest, Mass.
Posts: 560

Bikes: 1990 Peter Mooney road bike

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 259 Post(s)
Liked 257 Times in 138 Posts
Originally Posted by PromptCritical
I found this Record FD on FleaBay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/17613902023...Bk9SR-ro99n4Yw

What does the "QS" mean?
Quite ‘Spensive?
BCDrums is offline  
Likes For BCDrums:
Old 05-29-24, 10:48 PM
  #20  
Mackers
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 611
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 204 Post(s)
Liked 200 Times in 151 Posts
Quick Shift.
Mackers is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.