at one time, killing people with your car was illegal
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at one time, killing people with your car was illegal
interesting history of how roads became viewed as made for cars. There was an organized effort by the AAA and car companies to change perceptions. I think people realize that cars are a real problem, but the Stockholm syndrome has taken over.
There is a public monument here in State College that shows how the main drag in town used to look before cars took over. Looked like a nice place to walk. Nowadays, it's effectively been turned into a highway, and you'd have to be getting drunk to want to sit beside the road during the day.
There is a public monument here in State College that shows how the main drag in town used to look before cars took over. Looked like a nice place to walk. Nowadays, it's effectively been turned into a highway, and you'd have to be getting drunk to want to sit beside the road during the day.
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You know, I'm not at all sure that most of my friends and neighbors actually realize what a problem cars are.
Personally, I just hate being in a pack of cars, side by side, nose to tail and flying along at 10 mph or so above the speed limit. But when I say so people don't agree or disagree. They never have any comment at all. It goes in one ear and out the other.
Now that there are 3 and 4 cars in most households our roads are badly over-crowded. I say so from time to time. The people I work with? They don't seem to even consider it.
They take the roads as they find them and it doesn't seem to occur to them that they have any right to demand something better.
One exception is that they will complain about roads falling into disrepair. But it also seems to me that the roads are deteriorating faster than they did, say, 20 years ago while the complaints seem to be getting quieter and less common.
I've often thought that the automobile has a strange quasi-hypnotic effect on people. This subject would seem to be an example. Just give the people their 'fix' and they're quite docile.
Personally, I just hate being in a pack of cars, side by side, nose to tail and flying along at 10 mph or so above the speed limit. But when I say so people don't agree or disagree. They never have any comment at all. It goes in one ear and out the other.
Now that there are 3 and 4 cars in most households our roads are badly over-crowded. I say so from time to time. The people I work with? They don't seem to even consider it.
They take the roads as they find them and it doesn't seem to occur to them that they have any right to demand something better.
One exception is that they will complain about roads falling into disrepair. But it also seems to me that the roads are deteriorating faster than they did, say, 20 years ago while the complaints seem to be getting quieter and less common.
I've often thought that the automobile has a strange quasi-hypnotic effect on people. This subject would seem to be an example. Just give the people their 'fix' and they're quite docile.
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What's weird is that when I first started driving a car, my weight started going up, and I became more stupid. Like it was more difficult to stay on task and think while driving. The newer cars make you even more so. Riding a bike wakes me up, makes me more aware of my surroundings and puts in in a much better mood.
While cars are quite useful for certain situations, I'm beginning to think they are an invention of the devil.
While cars are quite useful for certain situations, I'm beginning to think they are an invention of the devil.
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What mainly made the big turn around in roads becoming primarily for cars is that autos became cheaper and gasoline became more plentiful, and the more influential people with cars could grease the palms of politicians to get peds and cyclists out of the way.
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You forgot motorcycles. At least here in Korea motorcycles are considered annoying and banned from using any public expressways. I ride 2 wheels all the way. If its doable timewise I ride one of my bicycles, if its not then I go to the motorcycle. If we have to take our 2 kids anywhere far I let my wife drive the car. I haven't driven a car beyond moving it around the parking area for 8 years now.
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Television had one of the largest roles in making people into morons in the past half century, I say.
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That's what I was thinking. A significant portion of suburban dwellers (my parents, to start) exclusively use cars to get around, and would more likely find pedestrians, bicyclists and low speed limits as the "real" problems.
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But I don't say it as much as I used to. I found that I was getting nowhere. Other than getting almost everyone mad at me.
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As I have state before, these days if you really hate a person so much you want them dead, just buy them a bike and run over them. The worst you will get is a slap on the wrist!!!
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Of course, watching the T.V. is often a major part of a sedentary lifestyle.
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https://www.azcentral.com/12news/news...awareness.html
"Shawn McCarty was riding ... when an SUV hit him in the bike lane, causing him to fly into the air about 30 feet and land on a sidewalk about 20 feet from his bike. The cyclist,.. was dead an hour later. The driver of the black Chevrolet Tahoe, Amy Sue Alexander, was cited for unsafe passing of a bicycle and driving in the bicycle lane. For the two tickets, Alexander, 41, paid a fine of $420 in Scottsdale City Court. ... two civil charges were all that the law would allow, a Scottsdale police spokesman said."
https://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...ties-road.html
"Shawn McCarty was riding ... when an SUV hit him in the bike lane, causing him to fly into the air about 30 feet and land on a sidewalk about 20 feet from his bike. The cyclist,.. was dead an hour later. The driver of the black Chevrolet Tahoe, Amy Sue Alexander, was cited for unsafe passing of a bicycle and driving in the bicycle lane. For the two tickets, Alexander, 41, paid a fine of $420 in Scottsdale City Court. ... two civil charges were all that the law would allow, a Scottsdale police spokesman said."
https://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...ties-road.html
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Television: the one-eyed god of the 20th century (looks like farcebook and youtube maybe for the 21st).
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Locally, all a motorist has to say is that their window fogged up, they were reaching over to turn on the defroster, and they thought that they "hit a pothole". This was the case of a local teen running over numerous road cones and striking/killing a well know local road construction worker dressed in hiv viz outerwear. The local DA, based on a report by our state's highway patrol, has decided to not press criminal charges against the teen, and calling it a "tragic accident".
Locally, as being a cyclist, I'm toast and on my own.
Locally, as being a cyclist, I'm toast and on my own.
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Locally, all a motorist has to say is that their window fogged up, they were reaching over to turn on the defroster, and they thought that they "hit a pothole". This was the case of a local teen running over numerous road cones and striking/killing a well know local road construction worker dressed in hiv viz outerwear. The local DA, based on a report by our state's highway patrol, has decided to not press criminal charges against the teen, and calling it a "tragic accident".
Locally, as being a cyclist, I'm toast and on my own.
Locally, as being a cyclist, I'm toast and on my own.
I've had my window fog up - first thing I do is wipe my hand over it so I can see again, THEN I turn on the defroster.
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can everyone say 'the highway users conference'
and 'highway trust fund?'
and 'highway trust fund?'
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"...In the case of a collision, the larger, heavier vehicle was deemed to be at fault. The responsibility for crashes always lay with the driver".
That is still the case in Holland and Denmark, as a sort of "strict liability", which takes quite a lot to override. I'm not sure about other European countries.
That is still the case in Holland and Denmark, as a sort of "strict liability", which takes quite a lot to override. I'm not sure about other European countries.
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Admittedly, there is a bit of a grey area here. An accident is just that: an accident. It's entirely possible that the events described above are in fact exactly what took place. I would have a hard time pressing criminal charges against someone that did something completely unintentionally or due to factors outside their direct control. But at the first hint of negligence on the part of the driver, that's where something needs to be done.
I've had my window fog up - first thing I do is wipe my hand over it so I can see again, THEN I turn on the defroster.
I've had my window fog up - first thing I do is wipe my hand over it so I can see again, THEN I turn on the defroster.
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I'm a bit confused. So, if I come to a crosswalk with half a dozen kids on it, my window is fogged up and I don't see them, I can get away with running them over because it was an accident? Call me old fashioned or whatever, but I was taught that when you get behind the wheel of a car, you take responsibility for operating it properly, which includes cleaning off the windows so you can see out of them.
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Remember Homer running red lights while covering his eyes and saying "If I didn't see it, it's not illegal!"?
Sometimes the supposedly exaggerated stupidity of a dope on TV is still less than that of a real life dope.
Sometimes the supposedly exaggerated stupidity of a dope on TV is still less than that of a real life dope.
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I'm a bit confused. So, if I come to a crosswalk with half a dozen kids on it, my window is fogged up and I don't see them, I can get away with running them over because it was an accident? Call me old fashioned or whatever, but I was taught that when you get behind the wheel of a car, you take responsibility for operating it properly, which includes cleaning off the windows so you can see out of them.
Yup that is pretty much the way things are... motorists in such situations are being charged with "remorse." And unless there is a civil trial, they pretty much get away with killing with a motor vehicle.
Now the particular scenario you proposed might just upset a community a bit more... like the old guy that plowed through a barrier and killed a bunch of folks at a farmers market.
That driver was eventually charged... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Russell_Weller But it took an incident that outrageous to bring it to court.
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Even if a person doesn't get charged with neglegent homicide, I would like to see drivers' licenses yanked, to remind people not to operate a deadly weapon if they can't see where they are going. The exceptions I would make would be more along the lines of night time ninja cyclists or somebody darting out from behind parked cars.
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Trouble is if someone does dart out from behind parked cars how do you prove it? If you allow an exception for ninja cyclists you create a situation where an errant motorist can take someone's lights off and chuck them down a street drain and then claim they were a ninja. If you don't allow such exceptions you end up with a situation where someone gets charged for not seeing someone who was doing their best to not be seen.
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Basically, when driving at night, you should be prepared for ninja cyclists. A lot of drivers aren't, of course.