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Old 05-11-21, 07:32 AM
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Strongest hollow axle for freewheel hub?

I need to purchase a couple new hollow replacement axles for freewheel hubs. I've been using Wheels Mfg. axles, that I got at cost, but those days have past. I was wondering what other axles might be comparable or better? Is it worth trying to find NOS Campagnolo or Dura Ace axles? Thanks
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Wheels is probably going to be cheaper than anything NOS and a whole lot easier to get.
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Always used Wheels MFG. To me, they were as good if not better than OEM. Yes, they will bend after a while, but that's just because of lack of support with a freewheel hub.
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I think the strongest would be a new Wheels Mfg axle limited to 120mm spacing with the widest tire possible.
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I went ahead and ordered a couple of Dura Ace axles off ebay. Hopefully they work out. I'm solidly on the Clydesdale scale, and haven't broken anything yet, but have had to replace a number of bent axles on other bikes. I hadn't considered reducing a bikes spacing to 120mm, but have seen 126mm spaced bikes with 5 speed free wheels. That brings the bearings closer to the drive side and reduces the wheel dish. For S+G I googled 3 speed freewheels and there are a bunch of cheap made in China ones available. I dont think I need to go down that engineering rabbit hole, but Its cool to know there out there..
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Originally Posted by bark_eater
I have seen 126mm spaced bikes with 5 speed free wheels. That brings the [nds] bearings closer to the drive side and reduces the wheel dish.
​​​​​​True, but only if you add spacers to the nds. Definitely a good idea if you don't need the extra gear or two and want to beef up the stability of the wheel/axle.
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Originally Posted by bark_eater
I went ahead and ordered a couple of Dura Ace axles off ebay. Hopefully they work out. I'm solidly on the Clydesdale scale, and haven't broken anything yet, but have had to replace a number of bent axles on other bikes. I hadn't considered reducing a bikes spacing to 120mm, but have seen 126mm spaced bikes with 5 speed free wheels. That brings the bearings closer to the drive side and reduces the wheel dish. For S+G I googled 3 speed freewheels and there are a bunch of cheap made in China ones available. I dont think I need to go down that engineering rabbit hole, but Its cool to know there out there..
If I'm not mistaken, Shimano's freehub axles use CrMo steel for the Ultegra and Dura-Ace level hubs as well as the XT hubs.
I've collected a lot of these from discarded wheels from the shop.

One other strengthening tweak is to reduce your drive-side axle extension to the absolute minimum, that being around 3-3.5mm between the face of the smallest cog and the face of the locknut.
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Campagnolo is 10 x 26 tpi, I don't think Dura-Ace is that.
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Have you checked rear dropout alignment? Out of plane ends are a strain on axles.
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Back in the day when I used to tour with FW equipped bikes, I found Campy axles to be quite strong although I eventually went to solid, bolt on Phil Wood hubs. Nothing is going to take them down. 40H/48H 3x and 4x
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Originally Posted by Feldman
Have you checked rear dropout alignment? Out of plane ends are a strain on axles.
I'm going to check the drop outs, and the frame at least with a string. I kind of think a bent axle is a bit of a red flag, that there may have been an "incident"

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Originally Posted by repechage
Campagnolo is 10 x 26 tpi, I don't think Dura-Ace is that.
I think your right. I've got a Campagnolo axle some were that I was going to check. While I'm looking for it I should see if I have any campy cones in the junk drawer.
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Originally Posted by bark_eater
I'm going to check the drop outs, and the frame at least with a string. I kind of think a bent axle is a bit of a red flag, that there may have been an "incident"
How many sprockets on the rear cluster? My experience is that anything above six increases the risk of bending an axle. If you are heavy and/or ride on rough surfaces or off-road, that also increases the risk of bending an axle.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
How many sprockets on the rear cluster? My experience is that anything above six increases the risk of bending an axle. If you are heavy and/or ride on rough surfaces or off-road, that also increases the risk of bending an axle.
I'm working with 5 and 6 speed freewheels. The next 2 keepers with freewheels and loose bearings will be 5 speed.
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Campy and DuraAce are VERY different threads and will need their own cone, nuts, etc. Back in the day I made my own axles out of cromo tubing and had a threading tool made for the 55deg Campy v-form thread. Not sure why I bothered since I've never bent a Campy or DA axle.
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Originally Posted by Steel Charlie
Campy and DuraAce are VERY different threads and will need their own cone, nuts, etc. Back in the day I made my own axles out of cromo tubing and had a threading tool made for the 55deg Campy v-form thread. Not sure why I bothered since I've never bent a Campy or DA axle.
Did your tool roll or cut?
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I Bought a couple Ti axles for my Campy NR hubs from an eBay seller. I’ve used Ti axles b4 & they’ve always held strong...

front: 109mm
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Titan....m46890.l49286

Rear: 141mm (for 8-sp freewheel)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rear-Titani....m46890.l49286

Seller might have other lengths?
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Originally Posted by 1 Lugnut
I Bought a couple Ti axles for my Campy NR hubs from an eBay seller. I’ve used Ti axles b4 & they’ve always held strong...

front: 109mm
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Titan....m46890.l49286

Rear: 141mm (for 8-sp freewheel)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rear-Titani....m46890.l49286

Seller might have other lengths?
Good steel is stronger (up to double or more) than Ti.

Ti is half the weight, but axles are all the same size (pretty much).
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Originally Posted by oneclick
Did your tool roll or cut?
Cut on a lathe. Lots of meat in a tube that size and the threads are actually quite shallow so there was no real question of strength.
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