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Old 04-23-21, 11:53 AM
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Patch Party.... Great... AHhhhhhh... The smell of Toluene on a good patch... VICTORY!

C6H5H + CH3Cl → C6H5CH3 + HCl
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I thought I'd contribute a photo of my tube repair items that were not mentioned so far. I buy the glue in larger cans and dilute it when necessary. For road use I pour the glue in small glass vials and none ever gets wasted. Two good solvents for the glue are Trichloroethylene, employed by Rema, and Heptane. I have used Heptane to soften the rubber before gluing and in particular I managed to glue back this way the grips that were cut too short. Except by a close inspection you could not tell that they were cut before. One extra item of interest is the leak detector, the small round box. It is not as effective as the face, but once you put the glue on and cannot find the leak anymore, you'd rather use some other device, than the face, to get it back.



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Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
Stuart meet Bib. (Bib is Michelin's mascot for those who don't know). Andy
And, I believe one of the oldest corporate mascots on the planet. He was born before tires were black, and he never updated. The mascot’s name is actually "Bibendum" from the Latin phrase "Nunc est bibendum,” or “now is the time to drink.
A suitable mascot for this activity, doncha think?

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Originally Posted by biketampa
why not switch to tubeless? Or do goat heads rip too big a hole? I don’t have goatheads where I ride. At least not enough that I would be made aware if their presence with tons of flats
Because tubeless is more of a hassle in my opinion than tubes and patching. I’ve got 11 bikes in my garage...7 of them mine...and I don’t relish the idea of maintaining that many tubeless tires.
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Good Lord, how many flats do you people get?

i think I buy about one small patch kit with a small tube of glue and 5 patches every couple years.
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Most people here either run a shop, provide bike services for coops, neighbors, family and friends, or provide basic service for a nominal fee, so it makes sense to buy in bulk (at least that is what I tell myself!). Besides, there's always Murphy's law lurking; I can go a year without flats, and then have SIX in a 30-mile ride (so, beware now that you said that you go flatless for a long time...).
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Here's the follow up numbers. Of the 11 tubes patched 10 hold air past a day. The 3 that had no found hole still held air. All 13 of these will go back into service. So of the 16 I had set aside over the last couple of years 3 are in the trash bin. Andy
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Good Lord, how many flats do you people get?

i think I buy about one small patch kit with a small tube of glue and 5 patches every couple years.
In our volunteer shop, we typical change about 20-30 tubes a week.... patch parties are on every other Friday, beer included
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In our volunteer shop, we typical change about 20-30 tubes a week.... patch parties are on every other Friday, beer included
Ah. I guess if you are fixing flats for a bunch of other people that would add up.
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Rochester's non profit bike recycler (R Community Bikes) has a fellow who is challenged as PC labels go. His job is to patch tubes. I have seen his work spot and it puts all of ours to shame. Very simple, everything at hand and he's real fast. Practice makes perfect as they say. Andy
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My daddy taught me how to patch when I was 10. I will occasionally follow his directions in lighting the glue on fire momentarily to help with the stick.
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My daddy taught me how to patch when I was 10. I will occasionally follow his directions in lighting the glue on fire momentarily to help with the stick.
Not necessary anymore with current vulcanizing fluids. You may even weaken or destroy it's bonding power. Just let the fluid dry before applying the patch and it should last as long as the tire.
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It's been a while (and I didn't cheat and read any post other than the OP). That red patch? I believe it is the Velox tubular patch. That came in the the little orange metal box.
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Originally Posted by Crankycrank
Not necessary anymore with current vulcanizing fluids. You may even weaken or destroy it's bonding power. Just let the fluid dry before applying the patch and it should last as long as the tire.
It hasn’t been necessary since the 1930s and the process that used heat didn’t set the vulcanizing fluid on fire. It used a patch, a clamp, and a special brick that was set on fire to heat the clamp and tire at the same time. No fire came in direct contact with the rubber.

This idea of setting the glue on fire to make the patch work better is a bit of erroneous folklore based on a misunderstanding of the hot patch method that has been passed down for 100 years or more now.
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Originally Posted by Crankycrank
Not necessary anymore with current vulcanizing fluids. You may even weaken or destroy it's bonding power. Just let the fluid dry before applying the patch and it should last as long as the tire.
Haven’t had one fail. Besides, I only do the burn ocassionally.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
It hasn’t been necessary since the 1930s and the process that used heat didn’t set the vulcanizing fluid on fire. It used a patch, a clamp, and a special brick that was set on fire to heat the clamp and tire at the same time. No fire came in direct contact with the rubber.

This idea of setting the glue on fire to make the patch work better is a bit of erroneous folklore based on a misunderstanding of the hot patch method that has been passed down for 100 years or more now.

I also think the chemistry of "rubber" tubes (and patches and their glue) has changed over the years. What was proper technique and substances nearly 100 years ago isn't the case these days. Or so I've read. Andy (who believes everything that has been published in print bit not so much so on line )
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Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
Here's the follow up numbers. Of the 11 tubes patched 10 hold air past a day. The 3 that had no found hole still held air. All 13 of these will go back into service. So of the 16 I had set aside over the last couple of years 3 are in the trash bin. Andy
Those 3 with no holes presta? The guys I ride with don't patch, so I get a pile going. Pretty sure those presta valves didn't always get screwed back down and would burp.
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Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
I also think the chemistry of "rubber" tubes (and patches and their glue) has changed over the years. What was proper technique and substances nearly 100 years ago isn't the case these days. Or so I've read. Andy (who believes everything that has been published in print bit not so much so on line )
The Rema system was invented in the mid30s. The procedure was described in Scientific American in 1921. After World War II, synthetic rubber...butadiene/styrene co-polymer...became the dominant rubber source. It’s still the dominate rubber. From about WWII on, the chemistry of the tires has been fairly static with minor changes in formulation.

Even when hot patches had to be used, the “hot” part didn’t involve setting the tube on fire. Here’s a video of a hot patch


I really wish he would have put a lid on the mineral spirits, however.
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If Hunter Thompson patched a tire...
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
The Rema system was invented in the mid30s. The procedure was described in Scientific American in 1921. After World War II, synthetic rubber...butadiene/styrene co-polymer...became the dominant rubber source. It’s still the dominate rubber. From about WWII on, the chemistry of the tires has been fairly static with minor changes in formulation.

Even when hot patches had to be used, the “hot” part didn’t involve setting the tube on fire. Here’s a video of a hot patch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ennV0BVFZVw

I really wish he would have put a lid on the mineral spirits, however.
At least he got his beer out of the way before the fireworks Andy
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Originally Posted by OldsCOOL
My daddy taught me how to patch when I was 10. I will occasionally follow his directions in lighting the glue on fire momentarily to help with the stick.
My old man taught me the same back when Ike was the president. I don't do it, but it's a fond memory.
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Andrew, What is the device, in picture 1, on which the tubes are hanging?
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I have found a wallpaper seam roller to be handy for applying patches.
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Patching party

It brought to mind when I got 5 flats in a hundred miles riding across Wyoming.
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