randyjawa 

I am helping a widowed to find new homes for a few nice vintage bicycles. This Cramerotti looks to be in good shape structurally but has an assortment of cosmetic blemishes. I have not ridden the bike.

PRICE: $200.00 US SOLD
SHIPPING: probably a couple of hundred dollars depending on how I pack and target destination

Anyway, the information and pictures...

Top Tube: I was not sure how to measure this - open to suggestions
Seat Tube: same thing

romperrr 

Interested and PM incoming

Senrab62 

Ugh, always late on everything 😂. 2nd dibs if it falls through, depending on size.

squirtdad

perfect cino bike

albrt 

This bike shares a number of features with my late 1980s Montagner (although mine is a straight frame road bike). I suspect it is by the same maker for the Canadian market.

randyjawa 

For some reason some people seem to think that the bike is already sold. I do not care who contacts me first. The first who commits to buy is first on the list. Until then, I do my best to answer questions regarding what I know or what I can estimate, like cost to ship.

So, no buyers yet but some interest from a few BF members (I am not one of them - I have enough bikes already)

albrt 

Agreed this would be hard to measure, but the other bikes owned by the decedent were all in about the same size range, right?

By the way, I get more compliments on the Montagner than on all my other bikes combined, from both bike people and non-bike people. Something about it.

randyjawa 

The fellow who owned/rode the time trial bike, an experienced and serious rider, also had these in his collection and he rode them also. I will measure the time trial bike next Monday when the shop is open. Until then, this might help with size considerations.

Holdsworth - 56 cm seat tube (c-c) SOLD...


and this (which I hope to buy myself and I ride a 55cm seat tube...

jamesdak 

As to measuring/sizing this I think you just need to disregard the curved tubes and just use straightline distances as normal. Because your ride fit is still going to be based off the normal references, right? I know that's how I dealt with my one funny bike and the curved seat tube KHS. So straightline from center of BB to the normal center junction of the seat tube and top tube joint. That would be your "effective seatube" The top tube essentially the same way. That should give a buyer an idea if they can fit the bike I would think. Of course this is a TT purpose beauty and that should be kept to mind. Fit is going to setup different than a road bike I would imagine.

randyjawa 

I am picking the TT bike up Friday morning and bringing it to my place. I will list the size as soon as I have that information. Hope this will prove helpful and thanks for your interest.

randyjawa 

Some concern has been expressed, regarding the fork and whether it is original to the bike, or not. Though no expert on the bike (or at picture taking), I tend to believe that the fork is original issue bearing the same pantograph as the one found on the head tube. Though my picture taking skills might come into question, I think the panto is clear enough. To that add that I took a moment to clean the chrome off of the area of interest. The spot cleaned up nicely and I think the rest will shine up well also.

jdawginsc 

The Marinonni is really interesting. Beautiful bike.

albrt 

For what it's worth, the chrome fork with the logo on the shoulder is one of the points of similarity with my Montagner (different logo but similar style and placement).

Mountain Mitch

I have that type of chrome fork on my Cramerotti so I strongly suspect it’s original. It is made by Columbus. Tullio Cramerotti typically spec’ed his bike with Columbus frames and Campagnolo components (of varying levels).

The first ad says ‘sold’. Then there’s a discussion about that. Please confirm if it is sold or not.

jdawginsc 

Typically, sellers update the first post so as to catch the eye as it goes through the process of pending, price drops etc... I assume Randy was able to sell the bike.

randyjawa 

When ever I manage to sell a bike through the For Sale forum, I edit the initial post adding the word SOLD. My hope it to help others not waste time looking through the rest of the posts. Sorry if that is confusing. The TT bike has been sold and will be shipped on Wednesday (unless I have another 75th birthday).

randyjawa 

The fellow who bought the TT bike would like to know if the front wheel size is 650c or 24". I have little experience with this wheel size, even though my Quintanna Roo sports a set, front and back. Anyway, the buyer knows that I am posting this and, if anyone can help ID the wheel size, I am sure that he would appreciate it...

Mountain Mitch

Take this for what it’s worth: I’m pretty sure (!) they’re 650s.

jdawginsc 

No marking on the rims at all? Interesting.

randyjawa 

What I meant by "no markings on the rim" was that no size information was etched into the inner face of the rim, Sorry for any confusion created by my description.

jdawginsc 

No, was just curious why there were no SIZE markings. Maybe not so unusual.

I have to imagine they are 650c. If the buyer is interested in a set of matching Ultegra/Mavic 650cs, let me know.

randyjawa 

@2 jdawginsc

Ah, good to know and thanks for the clarification. Tempting on the wheels but already got a set of two for my Quintanna Roo (which I do not like much) but the tires are not that great...