Suggestions for an endurance/all-road bike with new Ultegra 12 speed groupset
#26
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Wherever I am
Posts: 8,636
Bikes: Merlin Cyrene, Nashbar steel CX
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4733 Post(s)
Liked 1,532 Times
in
1,003 Posts
https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bi...aero/3367.html
Likes For Sy Reene:
#27
Method to My Madness
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Orange County, California
Posts: 3,662
Bikes: Trek FX 2, Cannondale Synapse, Cannondale CAAD4, Santa Cruz Stigmata GRX
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1948 Post(s)
Liked 1,469 Times
in
1,018 Posts
Exactly. I too was initially stuck on the truth that the bottom bracket axis and the top of the head tube axis are two fixed points with a constant straight-line distance between them which is not affected by the orientation of either flip chip. But the angle of that straight line does affect reach and stack.
#28
Method to My Madness
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Orange County, California
Posts: 3,662
Bikes: Trek FX 2, Cannondale Synapse, Cannondale CAAD4, Santa Cruz Stigmata GRX
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1948 Post(s)
Liked 1,469 Times
in
1,018 Posts
All round, this looks to be a quite good comparative value given the wheels and carbon cockpit. Cheaper options out there with wheels and other stuff you may find yourself wanting to replace.
https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bi...aero/3367.html
https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bi...aero/3367.html
Endurace CF SL 8 Disc Di2 | CANYON US
I prefer the 50/34 cranks and I can spend the difference on wheels myself, unless I also need to spend some of that replacing the integrated handlebar and stem:
Canyon warns consumers, teams to stop riding the new Aeroad following van der Poel handlebar incident - VeloNews.com
I have no bike handling skills to speak of; I can just about manage to ride in a straight line most of the time.
#29
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 1,704
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 821 Post(s)
Liked 1,655 Times
in
782 Posts
Yoeleo, ICAN, Winspace, Elves are just some of the Chinese carbon framesets that would stack up against any of the "snob" names. I built up a bike with an ICAN frame and fork, Ultegra Di2, Boyd carbon wheels, Ritchey handlebars with internal wiring, and a few other goodies. It cost much less than a similarly equipped "brand name". I bet if you could somehow ride it blindfolded so you wouldn't be distracted by the decals on the downtube, you'd love it.
#30
Sunshine
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 16,614
Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo
Mentioned: 123 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10964 Post(s)
Liked 7,490 Times
in
4,189 Posts
It's a brand name, much like Trek, Specialized, Cervelo, Pinarello, etc. Don't be a brand name snob. You'd be surprised at how many "name brands" are actually Chinese framesets with expensive paint jobs and decals on them.
Yoeleo, ICAN, Winspace, Elves are just some of the Chinese carbon framesets that would stack up against any of the "snob" names. I built up a bike with an ICAN frame and fork, Ultegra Di2, Boyd carbon wheels, Ritchey handlebars with internal wiring, and a few other goodies. It cost much less than a similarly equipped "brand name". I bet if you could somehow ride it blindfolded so you wouldn't be distracted by the decals on the downtube, you'd love it.
Yoeleo, ICAN, Winspace, Elves are just some of the Chinese carbon framesets that would stack up against any of the "snob" names. I built up a bike with an ICAN frame and fork, Ultegra Di2, Boyd carbon wheels, Ritchey handlebars with internal wiring, and a few other goodies. It cost much less than a similarly equipped "brand name". I bet if you could somehow ride it blindfolded so you wouldn't be distracted by the decals on the downtube, you'd love it.
I am hardly a name brand snob- most people wouldn't recognize any of those brands and I am quite comfortable with it.
I simply dislike the name 'yoeleo'. I am aware of how contract frame manufacturing works in the bike industry. I am aware some companies build for large brands and also have a marketed house brand.
None of that changes the fact that I just don't like that name. I don't know how to pronounce it and it means nothing to me. It's apparently a reference to the guy who started the company, named Leo. Name it Leostar or whatever else that's easier to pronounce.
Anyways, you missed the mark badly here. I have no issue with it being a brand from a contract manufacturer, I am hardly a popular name brand snob, and you picked the one negative comment I had out of a post that is otherwise very positive and supportive and ranted about that comment.
Likes For mstateglfr:
#31
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,949
Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3952 Post(s)
Liked 7,297 Times
in
2,947 Posts
I simply dislike the name 'yoeleo'. I am aware of how contract frame manufacturing works in the bike industry. I am aware some companies build for large brands and also have a marketed house brand. None of that changes the fact that I just don't like that name. I don't know how to pronounce it and it means nothing to me. It's apparently a reference to the guy who started the company, named Leo. Name it Leostar or whatever else that's easier to pronounce.
Likes For tomato coupe:
#33
Senior Member
There are two videos on the Yoeleo R12 on YouTube. Oz pronounces it yoleo. I got my frame in 9 days after ordering. The paint job is fantastic. The red is a highly metallic.
https://www.yoeleobike.com.
https://www.yoeleobike.com.
Last edited by DaveSSS; 07-25-22 at 02:22 PM.
#34
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,949
Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3952 Post(s)
Liked 7,297 Times
in
2,947 Posts
#35
Senior Member
Mine weighed 1050 for the frame and 396 for the full length fork.
#36
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,949
Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3952 Post(s)
Liked 7,297 Times
in
2,947 Posts
#37
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Wherever I am
Posts: 8,636
Bikes: Merlin Cyrene, Nashbar steel CX
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4733 Post(s)
Liked 1,532 Times
in
1,003 Posts
Some allowance for being a somewhat aero frame? If this is correct(?) a Madone SL frameset is 2.12kg:
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...rCode=bluedark
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...rCode=bluedark
#38
Senior Member
Mine weighed 1050 for the frame and 396 for the full length fork. The bars weigh 400 since they are the H9 V2. H10 would weigh about 320. My regular choice is Easton ec-90 bars and zipp stem, that weigh 325, but they also cost $420 rather than $215. You shouldn't expect the lightest bike when you pay $1215 instead of $5500. I make up for it, weighing 133-135.
I've looked closely at the interior of the frame and it looks excellent. The BB386 bores were plenty tight on wheels manufacturing thread together BB. The cranks spin effortlessly.
I've looked closely at the interior of the frame and it looks excellent. The BB386 bores were plenty tight on wheels manufacturing thread together BB. The cranks spin effortlessly.
Last edited by DaveSSS; 07-24-22 at 02:50 PM.
#39
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,949
Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3952 Post(s)
Liked 7,297 Times
in
2,947 Posts
Some allowance for being a somewhat aero frame? If this is correct(?) a Madone SL frameset is 2.12kg:
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...rCode=bluedark
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...rCode=bluedark
Last edited by tomato coupe; 07-09-22 at 04:50 PM.
#40
Senior Member
The Trek website lists the new Madone frameset weight at 1.97 kg for $4200. It's not clear if that includes a seat post. Apparently aero trumps light weight these days. My frameset and post weigh 1753g with the headset bearings. The post weighs 247. The price without the integrated bars was $1000 delivered. The bars are $215.
https://www.trekbikes.com
https://www.trekbikes.com
#41
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,949
Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3952 Post(s)
Liked 7,297 Times
in
2,947 Posts
My frameset and post weigh 1753g with the headset bearings.
Likes For tomato coupe:
#42
Asleep at the bars
Join Date: May 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA and Treasure Island, FL
Posts: 1,743
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 234 Post(s)
Liked 203 Times
in
135 Posts
If we're talking money north of $6000-$7000, I'd want to test ride it. Not so much for the groupset since that's a known quantity, but to see how the frame feels, tradeoff between tracking stability and cornering feel, feel on imperfect road surfaces, and what is a major factor for me: power transfer... when you push on the pedal, does it GO? Basically, how does it feel actually riding it. If you can't tell any difference, then the answer is simple: buy whatever you get a good deal on, or like the paintjob if price is all the same.
__________________
"This 7:48 cycling session burned 5933 calories. Speed up recovery by replacing them with a healthy snack." - Whoop
"This 7:48 cycling session burned 5933 calories. Speed up recovery by replacing them with a healthy snack." - Whoop
Likes For sfrider:
#43
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Wherever I am
Posts: 8,636
Bikes: Merlin Cyrene, Nashbar steel CX
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4733 Post(s)
Liked 1,532 Times
in
1,003 Posts
The Trek website lists the new Madone frameset weight at 1.97 kg for $4200. It's not clear if that includes a seat post. Apparently aero trumps light weight these days. My frameset and post weigh 1753g with the headset bearings. The post weighs 247. The price without the integrated bars was $1000 delivered. The bars are $215.
https://www.trekbikes.com
https://www.trekbikes.com
#44
Senior Member
I haven't bought a prebuilt bike in 30 years. You can always email an inquiry to see what might be possible. I'd build my own.
Likes For DaveSSS:
#45
Senior Member
Get some facts on the new model and post that. Do you know that trek weight includes a seat post?
The top of the line Madone gen7 costs $13,200 and weighs 7.36 kg.
The Madone gen6 with sram rival weighs 8.03kg compared to my yoeleo at 7.95kg (with a hefty smp stratos saddle) and 200g more than my 2017 cinelli superstar bikes that each cost less than half as much.
Using rival FD and RD only adds 19 grams compared to force. I just swapped those parts on one of my bikes.
Last edited by DaveSSS; 07-10-22 at 03:06 PM.
#46
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,949
Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3952 Post(s)
Liked 7,297 Times
in
2,947 Posts
Yeah, the pricing on their complete builds isn't great. They list $5650 for a road bike with 11-speed Ultregra Di2, but you can get a Canyon with 12-speed Ultegra Di2 and a power meter for $6100. Their frames are pretty cheap, though.
#47
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,949
Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3952 Post(s)
Liked 7,297 Times
in
2,947 Posts
The top of the line Madone gen7 costs $13,200 and weighs 7.36 kg.
Last edited by tomato coupe; 07-10-22 at 02:59 PM.
#48
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 702
Bikes: '23 Poseidon Redwood, '07 Specialized Roubaix Comp Triple, '12 Gravity Fixie, '21 Liv Rove 4, '06? Giant EB Spirit
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 345 Post(s)
Liked 237 Times
in
151 Posts
Lots of great options in this thread. If I were going to spend that much, I would seriously consider a custom bike builder. Resale may not be as great, but you should get exactly what you want.
#49
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,268
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 414 Post(s)
Liked 686 Times
in
286 Posts
OP here... ended up getting a BMC Roadmachine THREE
https://www.bmc-switzerland.com/intl...machine-three/
Best bang for the buck IMO...
https://www.bmc-switzerland.com/intl...machine-three/
Best bang for the buck IMO...
#50
...
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Whitestone and Rensselaerville, New York
Posts: 1,510
Bikes: Bicycles? Yup.
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 481 Post(s)
Liked 1,585 Times
in
734 Posts
OP here... ended up getting a BMC Roadmachine THREE
https://www.bmc-switzerland.com/intl...machine-three/
Best bang for the buck IMO...
https://www.bmc-switzerland.com/intl...machine-three/
Best bang for the buck IMO...