Sweaty 1950s? Cinelli info
01-06-23, 07:04 PM
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It is my understanding that the Cinelli front office (accounting/operations) told the frame builder what serial number should be stamped on the bottom bracket. The framebuilder did what they were told. One would think that management would follow some standard GAAP procedures but in the case of Cinelli, that was not the case in general. Many serial numbers out of sequence for various reasons, reasons we may never nail down.
Cozze whynot, capiche?
No one can figure out and fake if only they knew, if the numbers mean anything.
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This is a quote from Mark Petry, smart and knowledgeable guy on Cinelli and serial numbers.
"What we don't know is how long bikes or subassemblies hung on the hook before being shipped from Milan. The multiple ranges of serial numbers suggests to me at least that there were multiple subcontractors assembling frames for Cinelli. When orders came in, frames came off the hook or were ordered from the subs. So it's really hard to know "when it was made" and guesses based on the derailleur date stamp or other tells are speculative. "
Just sharing another thought as to why serial numbers are this way...
"What we don't know is how long bikes or subassemblies hung on the hook before being shipped from Milan. The multiple ranges of serial numbers suggests to me at least that there were multiple subcontractors assembling frames for Cinelli. When orders came in, frames came off the hook or were ordered from the subs. So it's really hard to know "when it was made" and guesses based on the derailleur date stamp or other tells are speculative. "
Just sharing another thought as to why serial numbers are this way...
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01-07-23, 11:34 AM
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Those frogs appear smitten with your Cinelli, perhaps the color has something to do with that.
The frogs have good taste, nice bike!
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01-07-23, 04:20 PM
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Another question. Are the dropouts Simplex or Campagnolo?
campagnolo
Cinelli started phasing out the Simplex dropouts after the introduction of the Campagnolo Gran Sport derailleur in 1953. So, 1953 +
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Another question. Are the dropouts Simplex or Campagnolo?
campagnolo
Cinelli started phasing out the Simplex dropouts after the introduction of the Campagnolo Gran Sport derailleur in 1953. So, 1953 +
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Another question. Are the dropouts Simplex or Campagnolo?
campagnolo
Cinelli started phasing out the Simplex dropouts after the introduction of the Campagnolo Gran Sport derailleur in 1953. So, 1953 +
Originally Posted by iab View Post
Another question. Are the dropouts Simplex or Campagnolo?
campagnolo
Cinelli started phasing out the Simplex dropouts after the introduction of the Campagnolo Gran Sport derailleur in 1953. So, 1953 +
01-07-23, 06:08 PM
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I concur. I have requested additional images from the owner. Not received them yet. My comment about the Campagnolo dropout branding was an attempt to baseline no older than 1953. I own a restored 56/58 with Simplex dropout and with the lozenge logo. The restoration was "supposedly" a duplication of what was originally on the bike decal wise.
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It is my understanding that the Cinelli front office (accounting/operations) told the frame builder what serial number should be stamped on the bottom bracket. The framebuilder did what they were told. One would think that management would follow some standard GAAP procedures but in the case of Cinelli, that was not the case in general. Many serial numbers out of sequence for various reasons, reasons we may never nail down.
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01-08-23, 01:15 PM
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I concur. I have requested additional images from the owner. Not received them yet. My comment about the Campagnolo dropout branding was an attempt to baseline no older than 1953. I own a restored 56/58 with Simplex dropout and with the lozenge logo. The restoration was "supposedly" a duplication of what was originally on the bike decal wise.
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01-08-23, 01:55 PM
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here is a somewhat clearer transfer as seen on this Clement wood rim which is contemporaneous with the cycle's dural ones -
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here is a somewhat clearer transfer as seen on this Clement wood rim which is contemporaneous with the cycle's dural ones -
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01-08-23, 02:06 PM
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sweaty by my definition, just means as found, a little or a lot crusty, with patina thats hard to duplicate. an old bike buddy said that to me years ago, i knew exactly what he meant. of course what's one person's sweaty or crusty is another's trainwreck. do I wish this bike was in better condition...sure but I appreciate that it survived. will i restore or repaint the bike...no.kind of like people some of us have some hard miles on us and low upkeep. there i said it i like sweaty bikes
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Personally, I'd just clean & lube the bike, get a proper stem & bars and call it a day.
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In this photo, I can't read what the top sticker/decal says due to the combination of wear and glare. Can you read it? I bet it says "Mod. B" or "Model B" but I can't be sure. (A Super Corsa or Speciale Corsa would say "Mod S.C.")
Thanks for all the extra photos, BTW. It means more drool on my t-shirt, but it's the price one must pay to gaze upon such wonderfulness.
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sweaty by my definition, just means as found, a little or a lot crusty, with patina thats hard to duplicate. an old bike buddy said that to me years ago, i knew exactly what he meant. of course what's one person's sweaty or crusty is another's trainwreck. do I wish this bike was in better condition...sure but I appreciate that it survived. will i restore or repaint the bike...no.kind of like people some of us have some hard miles on us and low upkeep. there i said it i like sweaty bikes
Those cranks look right to me, just what I would expect on a Mod. B from this vintage. Congratulations on a fantastic score. It is exactly what many of us hope to find as we scan Craigslist ads.
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An amazing bike, congratulations on a solid score!
If it was to go into a museum, I'd keep it as is. If it's a bike I plan to ride, I would do a full restoration, and get that thing back to looking like it did the day it left the factory. I hate "patina" (also known as dirt, rust, wear and tear) on rideable bikes.
If it was to go into a museum, I'd keep it as is. If it's a bike I plan to ride, I would do a full restoration, and get that thing back to looking like it did the day it left the factory. I hate "patina" (also known as dirt, rust, wear and tear) on rideable bikes.
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An amazing bike, congratulations on a solid score!
If it was to go into a museum, I'd keep it as is. If it's a bike I plan to ride, I would do a full restoration, and get that thing back to looking like it did the day it left the factory. I hate "patina" (also known as dirt, rust, wear and tear) on rideable bikes.
If it was to go into a museum, I'd keep it as is. If it's a bike I plan to ride, I would do a full restoration, and get that thing back to looking like it did the day it left the factory. I hate "patina" (also known as dirt, rust, wear and tear) on rideable bikes.
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thanks, glad you like the bike. as I said earlier what one person's I won't use the word sweaty...patina is anothers trainwreck. i would never restore this bike, to me it would lose its character. you hate patina, while i dont hate restored bikes, I appreciate the beauty of a well done restoration, it's just not my thing. I realize some bikes are too far gone, and the only way up is a restore. I appreciate these battle scarred beauties that show their character and sometimes unfortunately abuse
When they wear it well as this one truly does, its a rolling testament to its journey and can only be preserved as is at this place and time.
So long as keeping it as is does no harm it can live on until something dictates more drastic action.
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thanks, glad you like the bike. as I said earlier what one person's I won't use the word sweaty...patina is anothers trainwreck. i would never restore this bike, to me it would lose its character. you hate patina, while i dont hate restored bikes, I appreciate the beauty of a well done restoration, it's just not my thing. I realize some bikes are too far gone, and the only way up is a restore. I appreciate these battle scarred beauties that show their character and sometimes unfortunately abuse
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But I suspect that to most cyclists "sweaty" is how they'd describe a bike that's spent years on a turbo trainer, so corroded along the top tube and surrounding area.
01-19-23, 12:32 AM
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Great find, can't wait to see it cleaned up.
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At sometime I would like to make a set of burnables. I have all the tools, some jigs would needed for clamping, rounding, and drilling. Charles over at Wright Bros. has a set wooden, I haven't taken a real close look. Charles says they were manufactured with finger board joinery. If I were construct I would probably go with Pecan, or hard maple, a very stable stock would be required.
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Gah I'm jealous. I generally don't like patina either but this one will clean up nice enough and, as they say, it's only original once.
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02-02-23, 04:26 PM
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cleaned up the chrome a bit, switched bars, stem and brake levers. now it's got that I won't say sweaty, as found look
