Best ever rear derailleur
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Best ever rear derailleur
I can't find any reference of reviews of different manufacturers and models of RDs, i have one site but it lacks reviews of newer models like the DA7400 series.
What would you consider the best RD ever made, both older friction based and newer indexed?
What would you consider the best RD ever made, both older friction based and newer indexed?
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Gentlemen....start your engines!
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My votes:
Friction - ST Superbe pro and Campy SR with Bullseye pulleys. Second choice: C-Record
Modern - Campy Record Ergo. I hear the SRAM Red is a nice system, but have yet to experience it and have heard it is more finicky. I know many who swear by Dura Ace, and now that Shimano has finally done away with their fugly brifters perhaps they are an option
If I were to choose, I'd go with Record 10 speed.
I see a poll in this thread's future.
Friction - ST Superbe pro and Campy SR with Bullseye pulleys. Second choice: C-Record
Modern - Campy Record Ergo. I hear the SRAM Red is a nice system, but have yet to experience it and have heard it is more finicky. I know many who swear by Dura Ace, and now that Shimano has finally done away with their fugly brifters perhaps they are an option
If I were to choose, I'd go with Record 10 speed.
I see a poll in this thread's future.
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For me, it'd be a Nuovo Record, but my preferences date back to about 1970... But there are many, many that will work just fine.
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Friction - Suntour GT/GT Luxe. I went with this over the Cyclone only becasue it has a barrel adjuster.
SIS - Shimano 1056/6500 (105/600) from the late 90's/early 2000's. All metal, shift flawlessly, wide gear ranges available, and fairly robust.
SIS - Shimano 1056/6500 (105/600) from the late 90's/early 2000's. All metal, shift flawlessly, wide gear ranges available, and fairly robust.
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Bicycling magazine just had an interview with Mr. Rear Derailleur.
He chose the Ofmega Mistral because it was cool, and his 2nd choice was a 134g Soviet bloc design.
Me, I like a Shimano Ultegra 9-sp long cage. Does about everything I'll ever need done by an RD.
After that, Campy 8-sp Chorus. Tough, dependable, infallible and reliable.
Best ever? Superbe Pro friction. Does more to make the rider appear competent than any other RD.
He chose the Ofmega Mistral because it was cool, and his 2nd choice was a 134g Soviet bloc design.
Me, I like a Shimano Ultegra 9-sp long cage. Does about everything I'll ever need done by an RD.
After that, Campy 8-sp Chorus. Tough, dependable, infallible and reliable.
Best ever? Superbe Pro friction. Does more to make the rider appear competent than any other RD.
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Suntour Cyclone GT MkII gets my vote....
Quick, precise shifting always, Light, beautifully made and not so hoity toity expensive...at least back in its heyday...
I'll find one for myself again one day.....
Second for me is the Mavic 851 SSC, Just the most interesting looking derailleur of that time and its looks sets it apart from everything else. Helps that its so light too, Performance is better than most other similar straight parallelograms of that time, the ingenious cage height adjustability makes that possible as you can get the jockey wheels closer to the FW cogs.
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Quick, precise shifting always, Light, beautifully made and not so hoity toity expensive...at least back in its heyday...
I'll find one for myself again one day.....
Second for me is the Mavic 851 SSC, Just the most interesting looking derailleur of that time and its looks sets it apart from everything else. Helps that its so light too, Performance is better than most other similar straight parallelograms of that time, the ingenious cage height adjustability makes that possible as you can get the jockey wheels closer to the FW cogs.
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Frank Berto had a special shoutout in his book to the Suntour VX...I'll look it up later for the exact quote. I think he wasn't referring to 'Best Ever,' but more like 'really good, really affordable, raised the bar for all derailleurs.'
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Suntour Cyclone gen.1 short cage is the best I've used. I'm also a big fan of Suntour Vx-GT, Cyclone GT 1st gen., Campagnolo NR. I haven't used anything other than friction derailleurs or internal gear hubs in recent memory or to any real extent.
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The parallelogram geometry is not optimised for gear changing - Campagnolo was never overly interested in the idea of ‘chain gap’. The Nuovo Record does not like low gears - and it also does not give a precise change with very small cogs at the high gear end. Many was the road race that was lost due to a missed shift into a 13 tooth top cog.
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Yeah, if the vote was for best RD, dollar for dollar, the Vx seems like a clear winner.
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Naw--- Huret Allvit all the way!!!! And a picture proves it!
Great chrome. Fantastic styling. Precise shifts. Impeccable handling!
Great chrome. Fantastic styling. Precise shifts. Impeccable handling!
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I never road raced nor missed a shift. I've been running 14/28s with NR since 1972, low enough for me then, but now I need a triple. Still my favorite and a constant. I'm sure there's something better, but I've never felt the need for it. I love my old crap!
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Well, riding with no chain like that, I can see how you'd have a hard time mis-shifting.
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Shimano XT 8s.. 730/737. Mid 1990s, durable, shimano 8speed is burly with good action, it is the most durable and user friendly and low maintenance indexed system with the most widely available parts. The similar year XTR is probably better but I have had more experience with these and I suspect the XTR is no more durable than the XT.
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Based on performance alone, Suntour Vx.
- I'd give it the edge over the Cyclone/Superbe.
My Huret Challengers would be my 2nd runner-up, while my Campy NR would only win the prize for Miss Congeniality.
- I'd give it the edge over the Cyclone/Superbe.
My Huret Challengers would be my 2nd runner-up, while my Campy NR would only win the prize for Miss Congeniality.
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Campagnolo Euclid Gets my Vote.. I have a couple, on my Touring Bikes,
I got them many years ago..
It was Campag's trying to get a share of the MTB market.
since then they dropped out, and concentrate on just Road bikes.
I got them many years ago..
It was Campag's trying to get a share of the MTB market.
since then they dropped out, and concentrate on just Road bikes.
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The Cyclone Mk2 is a little heavier than the Mk1, shifts just as well, but is not as pretty while the Mk3 series is merely alright but nothing like it's predecessors.
The NR is legendary for it's reliability and shifts well within it's operational limits... and they are beautiful to look at.
For grail items, the Simplex JUY 543 on my 1957 Peugeot shifts so well you would think it was indexed and is a helicoil design that competed with early Campagnolo parallelogram models and exceeded their performance and would say it shifts better than the NR as well.
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Velobase seems to confirm this as it lists the Mk1 at 178 grams, while the MkII weight is indicated as 162 grams.....It's just a little lighter......but it is lighter...
As for looks, like everything, its subjective. I personally just happen to like the cleaner, more modern lines on the MkII....
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Now to expand the debate....
As far as the best shifting performance, everything I've ever used pales next to my Alfine 8-speed internal hub. I have used pretty much every variety of derailleur-based system going back to the early 70s, right up to current STI and Ergopower systems. But the Alfine shifts correctly every time. There is no hesitation, no mis-shifts, no noise, no in-between gears, no clattering or complaining. The shifting is utterly reliable, quiet and fast. Plus the hub has a silent clutch, and it is quiet while coasting, and it engages the chain the instant you apply power.