Is it safe to cycle on radioactive roads?
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Sorry, but I really think you're in "we should discuss NASA's plans for asteroid defense here because there's a nonzero chance that I could get hit by a meteorite while riding" territory.
No one here is competent to answer the basic questions you raise on this forum and I would suggest it makes a lot of sense to tell people to look elsewhere for answers rather than opening this forum for debates on the entire planet's agricultural system and other big proposals people have been trying to smuggle in here.
No one here is competent to answer the basic questions you raise on this forum and I would suggest it makes a lot of sense to tell people to look elsewhere for answers rather than opening this forum for debates on the entire planet's agricultural system and other big proposals people have been trying to smuggle in here.
What we have here is a politically powerful industry that produces vast quantities of really filthy waste. They've been looking for ways to get rid of that waste for decades. So now they want to stick it into paving materials. They say it will be well dispersed so there's no worry. Trust us.
I'm honestly just puzzled as to how such a scheme can be readily dismissed as being of no concern to the people who use those roadways. Y'all have a lot more faith in these folks than I do. I'm not spending my days worrying about it, but I wouldn't readily accept anything the phosphate industry puts forth. I'm surprised anyone would.
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I'm honestly just puzzled as to how such a scheme can be readily dismissed as being of no concern to the people who use those roadways. Y'all have a lot more faith in these folks than I do. I'm not spending my days worrying about it, but I wouldn't readily accept anything the phosphate industry puts forth. I'm surprised anyone would.
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I think it's pretty clear that there's a legitimate issue here. But it's not related to bicycling on those roads.
If the mods are reading this, maybe a move to P&R where we can take the gloves off makes sense
If the mods are reading this, maybe a move to P&R where we can take the gloves off makes sense
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Theoretically it is dangerous, but the mutated mosquitoes, alligators and Burmese pythons will get you first. Unless, of course, you crash and get road rash.
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Anticipating the wannabe "moderators" ...
(I didn't know whether to post this here or in P&R, but since the latter is a club that I am not a member of, and since there is nothing even remotely political in the motivation for anything happening in Florida these days, A&S is really the only choice available.)
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It sounds like the good voters of Florida are getting what they want out of their elected officials.
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My contention is that riding on roads paved with hazardous waste materials is a legitimate concern for cyclists.
You don't agree, so it must be political. And therefore no one should be allowed to read it.
Poorly informed? The refutation of my contention is based on a single sentence in a single article in the internet. But you're absolutely certain that cyclists should not be concerned about hazardous wastes under their tires.
smh ....
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I said my piece and was going to leave this alone, but if y'all are going to keep kvetching ....
My contention is that riding on roads paved with hazardous waste materials is a legitimate concern for cyclists.
You don't agree, so it must be political. And therefore no one should be allowed to read it.
Poorly informed? The refutation of my contention is based on a single sentence in a single article in the internet. But you're absolutely certain that cyclists should not be concerned about hazardous wastes under their tires.
smh ....
My contention is that riding on roads paved with hazardous waste materials is a legitimate concern for cyclists.
You don't agree, so it must be political. And therefore no one should be allowed to read it.
Poorly informed? The refutation of my contention is based on a single sentence in a single article in the internet. But you're absolutely certain that cyclists should not be concerned about hazardous wastes under their tires.
smh ....
The refutation of your contention is based on one more sentence than your contention is. The level of radiation involved is so low that your contention is completely groundless. We're talking about parts per billion in the material itself divided by the parts per billion of airborne particles on the road being inhaled by the cyclist. You can contend all you want, it's still absurd. SMH x2.
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The problem is that contaminated dust, when inhaled and deposited in the lungs, presents far more of a risk than does (radioactive) dust in the wind.
I also know you know this, and you are just being obtuse for entertainment (?) purposes.
I also know you know this, and you are just being obtuse for entertainment (?) purposes.
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I said my piece and was going to leave this alone, but if y'all are going to keep kvetching ....
My contention is that riding on roads paved with hazardous waste materials is a legitimate concern for cyclists.
You don't agree, so it must be political. And therefore no one should be allowed to read it.
Poorly informed? The refutation of my contention is based on a single sentence in a single article in the internet. But you're absolutely certain that cyclists should not be concerned about hazardous wastes under their tires.
smh ....
My contention is that riding on roads paved with hazardous waste materials is a legitimate concern for cyclists.
You don't agree, so it must be political. And therefore no one should be allowed to read it.
Poorly informed? The refutation of my contention is based on a single sentence in a single article in the internet. But you're absolutely certain that cyclists should not be concerned about hazardous wastes under their tires.
smh ....
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The problem with that is that a tiny proportion of a miniscule amount is essentially nothing. Your chances of inhaling any dust from the road are virtually zero, but even if you do, the chances that the dust you actually inhale contains any radioactive particles is also virtually zero. Virtually zero times virtually zero is not a probability worth worrying about. No one seriously interested in the topic is stating this risk is of any concern, instead focusing on much larger risks to construction workers and groundwater contamination. The only reason you two are focusing on this particularly silly scenario is because you're desperate to make the topic relevant to cycling. I'll note that you admitted in the OP that the only reason you posted it here was because you aren't able to post it in p&r.
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I'm a chemist. You are a lawyer (albeit one with an abnormally low reading comprehension.)
I will give you credit for some idiot-logic consistency; it wasn't that long ago you were telling everyone SARS-CoV-2 wasn't spread by airborne transmission.
Stick to what you are bad at.
I will give you credit for some idiot-logic consistency; it wasn't that long ago you were telling everyone SARS-CoV-2 wasn't spread by airborne transmission.
Stick to what you are bad at.
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I'm a chemist. You are a lawyer (albeit one with an abnormally low reading comprehension.)
I will give you credit for some idiot-logic consistency; it wasn't that long ago you were telling everyone SARS-CoV-2 wasn't spread by airborne transmission.
Stick to what you are bad at.
I will give you credit for some idiot-logic consistency; it wasn't that long ago you were telling everyone SARS-CoV-2 wasn't spread by airborne transmission.
Stick to what you are bad at.
Don't care if you're a chemist, what you're saying is objectively stupid and you can't defend it except to categorically lie about what I said about a completely different subject. I was convinced very early that COVID was spreading by indoor airborne transmission and rarely if ever outdoors. In hindsight, that appears to be about 100% correct. I can't remember, but were you the fool who was babbling about clouds of viruses floating from town to town like volcanic ash?
Go ahead Mr. Chemist, tell us exactly how much radioactive material can one expect to inhale in a lifetime of riding a bicycle on a road only partially constructed from very weakly radioactive material. Start by explaining just how much pulverized road surface you calculate will be kicked up by the tires towards your nose and mouth, and what percentage of that will be inhaled, and what percentage of that inhaled dust will be radioactive, and how long it would take for that amount to be any more than the background radiation one absorbs constantly due to living anywhere on planet earth. Assail my logic, not my credentials. Show your math. Claiming to be a scientist doesn't make anything you've asserted scientifically valid.
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Excuse me? Cyclists are going to have some of the highest exposure because we aren't in air conditioning and we're riding on the shoulder where the dust ends up.
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So, either you are out and out lying or you really don't have any reading comprehension.
I am not going to relitigate that thread, but that doesn't deny in any way that COVID is airborne. I even stated that at that time (2020), I wouldn't draft out of caution. But I defy you to cite any documented case of transmission from one cyclist to another at a distance in an outdoor setting.
Quote directly exactly where I supposedly denied airborne transmission. I double dog dare you. All I said was dispersal pattern modeling based on walking people was useless in predicting the dispersal pattern of cyclists.
You directly lied about what I said, the fact that you would do that rather than defend your inane assertions in this thread speaks volumes about your dishonesty and intellectual weakness.
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Yes, and bicycle tires are infamous for grinding pavement into dust and kicking it up. Seriously, do you guys really not understand how little pavement dust is getting kicked up into the air, let alone inhaled? I see piles of sand on the edges of the road where I live, but that's because they dump in on the ice and snow. That stuff doesn't go airborne because I ride over it from time to time and there's a fair amount of it. Pretty sure there's not a lot of piles of ground up pavement on the side of any road I've ever seen.
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What? Me worry... I still wear a mask in crowded places against Flu, Bugs, Colds, Bacteria, and BAD BREATH. But that's me... As a health care provider I have been wearing a mask or cravat for one reason or another for over 55 years. Over seas if for nothing else but to keep the fly's outta your mouth and nose. Googles too...
Now as to Radiation in the OP: Who knows... I am sure the guy in the picture did not ride his bike as long as he would have liked...
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Now as to Radiation in the OP: Who knows... I am sure the guy in the picture did not ride his bike as long as he would have liked...
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