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Old 12-14-22, 03:46 PM
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New old Peugeot. HELP! What model and year?

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I got this bicycle from my neighbor here at the Garage. I believe it's a 1972 PX10. Im not sure. This is my first Peugeot! Looks like its in great shape one I polish the crud off of it. Please check it out and let me know what YOU think! Dealer Sticker is Roberts Cycle. I have never been there but when I went to go work for Wisconsin cycle supply they were on my account list but they were out of business. Thanks JJ>








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Awesome! I hope it’s your size. Those could be the original tires and that bike was ridden very little.
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Great find, and I think your guess is correct. Have to say, it looks like there was either a kickstand on it or possibly it was on a bottom bracket stand for a looong time. Enjoy!
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Your assessment is right on - 1972 PX10. Looks like it has all the original equipment.
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not only a 1972 PX10 but an early 1972 PX10 - '72 one model year where there are identifiable early and late


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Originally Posted by juvela
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not only a 1972 PX10 but an early 1972 PX10 - '72 one model year where there are identifiable early and late


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@juvela, what are the distinctions? Is it the lugs?
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Originally Posted by ascherer
@juvela, what are the distinctions? Is it the lugs?
I was about to ask the same!

I'll take a guess that maybe the fork crown has something to do with it.... this one looks different to my '72.....
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Originally Posted by ehcoplex
I was about to ask the same!

I'll take a guess that maybe the fork crown has something to do with it.... this one looks different to my '72.....
I hadn't noticed that, my 72 has a different crown as well. @jjhabbs' looks like the ones on my 71.
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And if you ever wondered how thick the rubber layer was on a tubular, now you know
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Too bad some idiot put a kickstand on it at some point.
Very nice machine. Interesting that everything is original, including the 52-45/14-21 gearing and, of course, the tires.
At Bikecology we ended up with a drawerful of 14-21 freewheels, because almost every PA/PR/PX-10 buyer opted for a 14-26 or 14-28 instead.
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Nice find. I had one of those around 1975. Sold it after awhile to move onto “better” things.
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Originally Posted by ascherer
@juvela, what are the distinctions? Is it the lugs?

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chainset

Ets Verot-Perrin launched the model 93 in 1967

from the outset there were failures in the form of radial cracks at the pedal hole

in fairness, many of these were likely due to the trauma caused by crashes

finally, after five years they elected to do something about it and reinforced the pedal hole area with additional material at the crankarm's distal end

the change was made during 1972 so there are some PX machines which received the revised set and some which received the original version

this image employed by VB to illustrate the model 93 shows both the early and late type arms
the drive side arm in the picture is the early type and the non-drive side arm is the later type



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Wow guys,
Thanks for all the input! IM looking forward to totally taking this apart, cleaning and polishing it as well as lacing the wheels with new stainless spokes.

One more question. Did the original have safety levers??

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Very nice find and great neighbor! I have a '69, in worse shape than yours! Great riding machine. Get some new tubular tire and repack those bearings and enjoy that fabulous ride for yourself.
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Originally Posted by jjhabbs
Wow guys,
Thanks for all the input! IM looking forward to totally taking this apart, cleaning and polishing it as well as lacing the wheels with new stainless spokes.

One more question. Did the original have safety levers??

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you gotta be kiddin'

no

and it didn't have a dork disc either


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Originally Posted by juvela
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you gotta be kiddin'

no

and it didn't have a dork disc either


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No, not kidding. Im more familiar with somewhat newer bikes. But thanks for answering.

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86 the dork disk...noted
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Originally Posted by juvela
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chainset

Ets Verot-Perrin launched the model 93 in 1967

from the outset there were failures in the form of radial cracks at the pedal hole

in fairness, many of these were likely due to the trauma caused by crashes

finally, after five years they elected to do something about it and reinforced the pedal hole area with additional material at the crankarm's distal end

the change was made during 1972 so there are some PX machines which received the revised set and some which received the original version

this image employed by VB to illustrate the model 93 shows both the early and late type arms
the drive side arm in the picture is the early type and the non-drive side arm is the later type

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Well damn, that’s interesting! I recall reading that on VB but sure never would’ve spotted that. Of course, had to go take a closer look at things in the ‘workshop’… Apparently my PX10 is also an earlier one. Got a Valgan on the stand I’m finishing up with a later 93 on it that was interesting to compare with- the difference is pretty subtle, but there.

Now, how about that fork crown..?
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jjhabbs : I believe the surprise at the question on safety levers is that the PX10 was essentially a top of the line racing bike, so safety levers, a kickstand and a dork disk would be entirely out of place. You have a lovely bike there!

juvela : Interesting regarding the earlier/later crankset, but I wonder: my experience with italian motorcycles says that they often found boxes of older components during their many supplier interruptions and you can often find older components showing up years later....is that not possible with Peugeot bicycles? Could an older crank have been pulled from a box in the storeroom and used on a later bike? Peugeot appears financially far more stable than my favorite italian motorcycle brand Ducati, who were (and likely still are) one step away from bankruptcy at any given time, but they didn't care - they just made great motorcycles.....
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jjhabbs : I believe the surprise at the question on safety levers is that the PX10 was essentially a top of the line racing bike, so safety levers, a kickstand and a dork disk would be entirely out of place. You have a lovely bike there!

juvela : Interesting regarding the earlier/later crankset, but I wonder: my experience with italian motorcycles says that they often found boxes of older components during their many supplier interruptions and you can often find older components showing up years later....is that not possible with Peugeot bicycles? Could an older crank have been pulled from a box in the storeroom and used on a later bike? Peugeot appears financially far more stable than my favorite italian motorcycle brand Ducati, who were (and likely still are) one step away from bankruptcy at any given time, but they didn't care - they just made great motorcycles.....
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Well, it's definitely not unheard of for a PX-10 to have been fitted with 'safety' levers by the shop that originally sold the bike... At least the '72 I have had had them added to the Mafacs. It's also my understanding that it wasn't uncommon for shops to swap out the Monthlery/Lux Comp sew-up wheelset for a clincher set (cheaper Rigida steel rims, Normandy Sport hubs.....) at a customer's request. Again, such was the case with the PX-10 I have..... plus an insanely heavy dork-disk!
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Originally Posted by markk900
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juvela : Interesting regarding the earlier/later crankset, but I wonder: my experience with italian motorcycles says that they often found boxes of older components during their many supplier interruptions and you can often find older components showing up years later....is that not possible with Peugeot bicycles? Could an older crank have been pulled from a box in the storeroom and used on a later bike? Peugeot appears financially far more stable than my favorite italian motorcycle brand Ducati, who were (and likely still are) one step away from bankruptcy at any given time, but they didn't care - they just made great motorcycles.....
I'm not the esteemed juvela, BUT Peugeot was the 800-lb gorilla of the Frency cycle industry, and they burned through parts pretty quickly during the great bike boom. PX-10s were flying out the door during that era, and Peugeot got top priority with Verot-Perrin aka Stronglight, so much so that Gitane substituted Sugino Mighty cranksets on the Tour de France for a while there. I can't imagine that with the parts shortages of that era that a topline component like the Stronglight 93 would have been stockpiled for later use. I always wondered about the availability of Nervex Professional lugs in that time frame as well - the plain Nervex DuBois lugs on the original poster's bike are usually attributed to the PX-10s produced in 1972 on bikes with the classic more laid-back geometry and black painted head lugs. Nervex Pros returned sporadically at least in 1973 or so, still painted black, though the DuBois plain lugs in white with gold outlines were featured on the PX-10LE of 1974.
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rustystrings61 : I suspect you are correct; its just I have learned through my other hobby (old motorcycles) that even the factory specs can often be misleading - components were grabbed from wherever if a finished product was waiting....but your logic (and the fact this is a top of the line model) suggests using old parts was not the case here.
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Originally Posted by ehcoplex
Well, it's definitely not unheard of for a PX-10 to have been fitted with 'safety' levers by the shop that originally sold the bike... At least the '72 I have had had them added to the Mafacs. It's also my understanding that it wasn't uncommon for shops to swap out the Monthlery/Lux Comp sew-up wheelset for a clincher set (cheaper Rigida steel rims, Normandy Sport hubs.....) at a customer's request. Again, such was the case with the PX-10 I have..... plus an insanely heavy dork-disk!
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there were two U.S. makers of adaptor kits to fit extension levers to MAFAC

both located in California -

ACS (American Cycle Systems)

Bicycle Research Products




these were frequently mounted to cycles of French origin during the "bike boom" by retail cycle shops


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