dynodonn 

Not necessarily, when I'm on a bike path or MUP, pedestrians do not look at me with scorn, since when I pass, I do so at a safe distance and at a speed close to theirs. I did happen to scare one pedestrian woman on a local pathway, when approaching her from behind, I moved off the paved area and onto the gravel shoulder several feet away from her, the sound of my tires running on the gravel shoulder startled her.

FrenchFit 

Fox News? That's like watching the slimy things that live under rocks. What do you expect to see?

SnowJob

LOL ^^

Fox is a joke. Unfortunately a lot of people will only get their "news" from Fox because they buy the hype. Remember the study a few years back that showed Fox viewers had the lowest comprehension of current events, with CNN and others just a bit better. That's the state of our for-profit news services: guess what, they suck at disseminating useful and truthful information.

PiLigand

I've got to say, of all things I've seen/heard on Fox News, this wasn't too bad. To break down what they said:

1) This cyclist was speeding and violating traffic laws. He then caused a collision that killed a man. He should be held accountable
-They probably don't know how different it is stopping on a bike from a car, but that doesn't change the facts. This man should definitely be held accountable.

2) Cyclists should obey the same traffic laws as motorists and do so responsibly and safely. This includes speed management.
-I totally agree with this. Does anyone not? Thoughts?

3) Cycling often leads to arrogance among cyclists and causes them to do stupid things.
- If you've spent any time at all on this forum, you know that there are way too many arrogant cyclists giving the rest of us a bad name.

4) Cyclists should use bike paths and get off the roads.
- Hell no. Bike paths are nice. I ride one almost daily. But we're just as entitled to the road SO LONG AS we obey points 1 and 2.

5) Dooring cyclists is fun and totally justifiable
- F*** this guy very much. Him, I wouldn't have a problem hitting. Maybe that's why I get a steel bike.

rydabent

Beckel is the leftwing extremist on the five. At least Fox has a varied view point. Unlike the MSM, they do not get their news directly from the DNC. Dont the Fox haters just love what Beckel says about fully kitted roadies. Makes you wonder if all leftwingers hate roadies.

Brandonub

No, it makes me think that fat, bitter alcoholics tend to not like cyclists.

CbadRider

If this thread is going to turn into a discussion about Fox News then it will get moved to P&R. Please keep your posts related to A&S topics.

DX-MAN

My thoughts are inserted in the quote in bold....

rydabent

I dont think we should get our knickers in a knot over 5 people from NYC. I can assure you they know little about cycling. Chances are some of them dont even have a drivers license. Im sure there are places in NY it is fine to ride a bike, but I think you would have to be nuts to ride in the main part of the city.

CB HI

Yet they did not note that the defense proved the cyclist entered the intersection on a yellow. As bad as the rest of his actions were, he did not run a red light at this intersection, as he has repeatedly been demonized for.

And if cyclist are to be properly held accountable, then pedestrians entering the crosswalk early need the same accountability.

Bikerer

if a bunch of pedestrians jaywalk and a car just decides to say "**** it, they dont belong there" and plow through im sure there would be an arrest as well. I actually think the penalties would be harsher. That said.. it is annoying that pedestrians absolutely do not treat bicycles as vehicles and have no qualms stepping out in front of you when you have right of way.

What sort of burns me a bit is this idea that people on bikes are these "leftist environmental warriors". Most of the bikers I know actually tend to lean more conservative (though that may be just be a part of the sports bicycling culture).

genec

The problem with your metaphor is that either motorist or cyclist, you are STILL responsible for not hitting that which is right in front of you. (although apparently motorists have to be reminded of that fact with a sign...)

But the fact is you are NOT supposed to hit those right in front of you...

Bikerer

Uh.. try re-reading my post again. You basically reiterated what I said but in the form of an argument.

CB HI

There is plenty of blame on the cyclist, but running a red light at this intersection is not one.

Had it been a motorist going into the intersection on a yellow, the DA would have put all the blame on the pedestrian.

genec

I meant to do that... as "not running into things in front of us" should be so basic as to not need being said; but in fact we have to say it all the time, and even need a special sign to remind motorists to not do this seemingly most obvious thing.

Silly, eh?

It's OK, you are right, but we apparently have to remind folks, over and over again. Maybe it's just the steering wheel...

mr645

Fox news casters are just jealous because they are all too fat to ride a bike

CB HI

If you think some of those women are fat, you need a new TV with proper horizontal adjust.

PiLigand

I did not know this. I guess I just took their word for it that ran two red lights. They did say that, right? Was I just making that up in my head? Anyways, I'll re-watch it.

I suppose if it were/was (not sure if this should be subjunctive or not) then it makes sense that the man shouldn't be prosecuted. I guess? It's not a good situation. Still, cyclists need to obey the rules and motorists need to recognize that cyclists are doing so and ctfo.

CB HI

They took their story straight from the DA that did claim he had witnesses that saw the cyclist run 3 stop lights/signs before this intersection. The DA had an expert witness view the video to come up with speeds, etc., but in the same video the defense pointed to the corner where a yellow light was visible when the cyclist entered.

I was very disappointed that Fox Five did not point out the defense evidence.

PiLigand

I'm disappointed as well. Normally I'd say something like "That's fox news for ya," but this isn't even a liberal vs conservative thing. Unless they're trying to just make cyclists blanket liberals. Which I guess it seems kinda like they are, but I can't imagine why. Yeah, this doesn't make any sense to me. F***ing Fox News...

kmv2

Either is avoidable, so why does it matter?

Chicago Al 

Here's the Forbes magazine article written by someone who actually attended the hearing and saw the relevant video as well as the other testimony.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirh...m/#abovethelaw

Here's her paragraph about the barely-visible traffic light:

>>That’s when, for the umpteenth time that day, Bucchere’s defense attorney, Ted Cassman, played the 30 seconds of video. He pointed out in a small, barely visible corner of the video a traffic light. The expert, to whom the state had paid $200 an hour to analyze the video, hadn’t previously spotted it. The video now seemed to tell a different story. It looks like Bucchere entered the intersection just as the light turned red. Many pedestrians, including the first witness, were already in the crosswalks despite the 3.5 second “all red.” Three seconds after entering the intersection, Bucchere hit Sui. He might have been able to swerve left to avoid him, but the first witness — who clearly entered the crosswalk very early — left that path blocked.<<

(Emphasis mine.) As you see it's not completely clear cut, and the eyewitnesses were wrong. However it's twisting things to say that it's 'proved' he went through a yellow light. It might have raised a 'reasonable doubt' in a jury about the light timing, but there was other evidence, and he wasn't being prosecuted for running a red light, but for vehicular homicide. So Bucchere and the defense decided not to take that chance, and he's now a convicted felon.

Even Bucchere is not defending himself anymore.

As for being disappointed in Fox News for not being 'fair and balanced' about this...someone's got a real shock coming some Christmas.

CB HI

Chicago Al,
How odd that you missed this part of the same story.
PS - The DAs case hinged on Bucchere running a red light.

wphamilton

Back to dooring the cyclist, isn't it at least theoretically possible that the Five host could be prosecuted? After all, it is a crime and even though the victim is long gone, he did incriminate himself. People have been given tickets for less, for videos posted on youtube, why not TV hosts?

If it had been me doored by that guy, after hearing him brag about it on TV I'd have him in court.

genec

He also stated that he paid the cyclist $40, so it is quite possible he already "settled" out of court.

Not all doorings result in terrible harm to the cyclist.