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Le Tour tire wins
Tallying it up, in terms of wins, this is how the battle between clinchers, tubeless and tubulars currently stands.
- Tubulars: 5.5
- Clinchers: 3
- Tubeless: 0.5
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Good to see them using tubeless now. I remember a couple of years ago when people here were saying that disc brakes were an abomination, had no real benefits, and would never make it. I used to roll my eyes at the ignorance. I suspect tubeless will see more adoption, though tubs still make a lot of sense in races. We just need to develop a sealant that works even better that the current crop (at high road pressures).
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Good to see them using tubeless now. I remember a couple of years ago when people here were saying that disc brakes were an abomination, had no real benefits, and would never make it. I used to roll my eyes at the ignorance. I suspect tubeless will see more adoption, though tubs still make a lot of sense in races. We just need to develop a sealant that works even better that the current crop (at high road pressures).
My gravel bike has hydraulic disc brakes so I have extensive experience with that style. There is 0 benefit for me to swap my road bikes for disc brake.
Others though? Others may love how the disc brakes look on a road bike and may find the braking to be better for how/were/when they ride.
Saying people are ignorant is pretty harsh when its simply an conclusion based on aesthetic opinion and intended use.
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Who's decision is the tire choice? Is it the team mechanic, the riders or the sponsor? If the teams have multiple offerings within a single sponsor, why would they select one tire type over the other?
As a tubeless (MTB only), track/TT (tubular) and road rider, I choose to ride clinchers on my road bike wheels. Butyl for training, latex for racing.
As a tubeless (MTB only), track/TT (tubular) and road rider, I choose to ride clinchers on my road bike wheels. Butyl for training, latex for racing.
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That stuff is still said. And it is largely still correct depending on user. I dont like the look of a disc brake road bike as much as the look of a rim brake road bike. And I would not benefit from disc brakes on my road bike based on how/where/when I ride it.
My gravel bike has hydraulic disc brakes so I have extensive experience with that style. There is 0 benefit for me to swap my road bikes for disc brake.
Others though? Others may love how the disc brakes look on a road bike and may find the braking to be better for how/were/when they ride.
Saying people are ignorant is pretty harsh when its simply an conclusion based on aesthetic opinion and intended use.
My gravel bike has hydraulic disc brakes so I have extensive experience with that style. There is 0 benefit for me to swap my road bikes for disc brake.
Others though? Others may love how the disc brakes look on a road bike and may find the braking to be better for how/were/when they ride.
Saying people are ignorant is pretty harsh when its simply an conclusion based on aesthetic opinion and intended use.
It's the lack of info that is ignorance, and not that everyone is ignorant and must have discs. The same happens with every new development. I saw the same thing with mountain bike tubeless and with carbon mountain bike frames (which are now predominant). Not many care what anyone rides or prefers but to say that discs generally have no benefit or use or are a solution looking for a problem, is just plain ignorance. For me (I have both) I prefer the modulation of discs and their performance in the mountains, by far. When wet, there is little comparison. I also prefer them when riding through any muddy sections where rim brakes get pretty clogged up. My favorite climbing bike does happen to be rim brake but it is becoming a dinosaur, along with rim brake carbon wheels by the major wheel companies. I did order a set of rim-brake Zipps before they go completely extinct. I hope to get them late this month. After this, it is all discs for me as well though I would live to keep my one rim-brake bike going. I also prefer the look of rim-brake bikes as well but that is the only thing I prefer.
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Your continued 'doth protest too much' efforts do seem to hint that you're tubeless-curious, though. Don't thrash about and fight it - embrace it. You'll probably get goosebumps when you hear the snap-snap-POP! of your first time seating a tire.
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1. How do you get a half of a stage win?
2. Some teams are so hamstrung by shyte tires that they black out the ones they want to use for time trials at least so the sponsor can't see.
3. What would be the ratio of wins to # of users? I'd bet that would weight the results a bit differently.
2. Some teams are so hamstrung by shyte tires that they black out the ones they want to use for time trials at least so the sponsor can't see.
3. What would be the ratio of wins to # of users? I'd bet that would weight the results a bit differently.
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Good to see them using tubeless now. I remember a couple of years ago when people here were saying that disc brakes were an abomination, had no real benefits, and would never make it. I used to roll my eyes at the ignorance. I suspect tubeless will see more adoption, though tubs still make a lot of sense in races. We just need to develop a sealant that works even better that the current crop (at high road pressures).
For what it's worth (nothing), I prefer the look of forks with a curved rake. Those are only found on rim brakes, so that's my preference.
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Judging from the comments, I don't think that anyone (besides you) is silly enough to think that this information is any type of commentary on the state of road tires.
Your continued 'doth protest too much' efforts do seem to hint that you're tubeless-curious, though. Don't thrash about and fight it - embrace it. You'll probably get goosebumps when you hear the snap-snap-POP! of your first time seating a tire.
Your continued 'doth protest too much' efforts do seem to hint that you're tubeless-curious, though. Don't thrash about and fight it - embrace it. You'll probably get goosebumps when you hear the snap-snap-POP! of your first time seating a tire.
As for the disks they don't meet my requirement either. 135 lbs, not to fat for this sport, direct mount D/A calipers, textured CF brake tracks with Black Prince Pads, no rain rides, no steep descents, I know how to brake, never had a problem in the hills but as now all our rides are flat flat flat. Almost 2 yrs on the pads and they don't look worn. So no brake maintenance whatsoever in 2 yrs and reliable. My bike is a total weight weenie build. What I do does not apply to anyone else.
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It's the lack of info that is ignorance, and not that everyone is ignorant and must have discs. The same happens with every new development. I saw the same thing with mountain bike tubeless and with carbon mountain bike frames (which are now predominant). Not many care what anyone rides or prefers but to say that discs generally have no benefit or use or are a solution looking for a problem, is just plain ignorance. For me (I have both) I prefer the modulation of discs and their performance in the mountains, by far. When wet, there is little comparison. I also prefer them when riding through any muddy sections where rim brakes get pretty clogged up. My favorite climbing bike does happen to be rim brake but it is becoming a dinosaur, along with rim brake carbon wheels by the major wheel companies. I did order a set of rim-brake Zipps before they go completely extinct. I hope to get them late this month. After this, it is all discs for me as well though I would live to keep my one rim-brake bike going. I also prefer the look of rim-brake bikes as well but that is the only thing I prefer.
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Yet you take the trouble to look up and/or collect tire information for tour riders, post fearful links about the dangers of tubeless tires affecting spoke tension, etc. For someone so certain that these things are not for you, they're certainly on your mind more than they're on mine, and I'm a tubeless user.
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Good to see them using tubeless now. I remember a couple of years ago when people here were saying that disc brakes were an abomination, had no real benefits, and would never make it. I used to roll my eyes at the ignorance. I suspect tubeless will see more adoption, though tubs still make a lot of sense in races. We just need to develop a sealant that works even better that the current crop (at high road pressures).
WRT tires, tubulars behave a lot nicer when getting flat than clinchers or tubeless. If I had my own mechanic, I would ride tubies every day. But, I suffer with clinchers and latex tubes. Fixing tubeless tire on the road is a no go for me. Tried it for a year. No thanks. No ignorance.
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Yeah, I'm sure. Look up how many alloy frames all the well-known manufacturers even make. I'm not talking about $500 mountain bikes from Walmart. Those are junk and no real mountain biker uses them. Look at Specialized, Yeti, Santa Cruz, Pivot, Ibis, Evil, Spot, Intense, Niner, Rocky Mountain, Trek, YT, etc... I am predominantly a mountain biker and I am part of a large group and I ride with other groups/teams. It is rare to ever see an alloy frame, though these are all $5K and up, predominantly. I personally have seen 3-4 this past month. Even Hardtails are going all carbon now. It is a rare racer who uses alloy anymore. A few holdouts use alloy 29ers and even most of them are on short-travel carbon 29ers now. At the Firecracker 50 race last week, I saw TWO alloy 29ers. I am not aware of even one pro who uses an alloy frame. If there is one, he/she is a rare bird.
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Nobody cares what anyone rides but discs are taking over. The ignorance is mostly over...that was from 3-4 years ago when so many here were using the "a solution looking for a problem" line over and over, yet now they are common. Some models don't even make rim brake frames anymore. Again, nobody cares but ya can't stop the innovation and new stuff from taking over slowly. Discs and flared bars are pretty commonplace now, even in the The Tour and locally. Tubeless seems to be going that way too. Ride what you want. Be happy. Nobody is taking away your rim brake bike.
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Nobody cares what anyone rides but discs are taking over. The ignorance is mostly over...that was from 3-4 years ago when so many here were using the "a solution looking for a problem" line over and over, yet now they are common. Some models don't even make rim brake frames anymore. Again, nobody cares but ya can't stop the innovation and new stuff from taking over slowly. Discs and flared bars are pretty commonplace now, even in the The Tour and locally. Tubeless seems to be going that way too. Ride what you want. Be happy. Nobody is taking away your rim brake bike.
It seems rather insulting.
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I remain perplexed by this common gripe about tubeless. In my experience, the only difference between fixing a tubed clincher and a tubeless clincher is that it might be a little bit messier, but that issue is pretty easy to mitigate, too. Replacing a tube by the side of the road sucks, no matter which kind of tire you're using. Minimizing the frequency of those moments is an easy call for me.
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I remain perplexed by this common gripe about tubeless. In my experience, the only difference between fixing a tubed clincher and a tubeless clincher is that it might be a little bit messier, but that issue is pretty easy to mitigate, too. Replacing a tube by the side of the road sucks, no matter which kind of tire you're using. Minimizing the frequency of those moments is an easy call for me.
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Try removing a tubeless tire on the side of the road. I have broken levers. Tires are not infrequently unrepairable. I cannot tell you how many cyclists I have passed with tires destroyed. I do carry a spare tire. When I spent a year with tubeless, a repair meant booting, removing the tubeless valve, cleaning the mess, and inserting a tube. Just removing the tubeless tire from the rim was very, very hard. To put it back on, I had to carry a KoolStop tire jack. Oh, the fun. I tried three different rims and two different tubeless tires. I flatted almost every weekend on Schwalbe Pro Ones. A major PITA. No thanks. They were also slow dogs but not as bad as the Specialized tubeless. If you are still perplexed, how about explaining any advantage of tubeless? I rarely get flats. No more frequent than every 3-4,000 miles and sometimes much less frequent.
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