Replacement Brake Pads - Campagnolo Nuovo Record (1970's vintage)
10-28-16, 09:27 AM
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Polished rims? Use your brakes 2 or 3 times and they won't be polished anymore.
These rims are from the mid-1980's. They lost their "virginity" a long time ago.
Spongy brakes. Replace your cables with high quality casings and inner wires from Shimano, Jagwire or Campy.
Stiff as a brick! I learned this a long time ago. It is spot-on advice.
New pads? More than likely they're not sitting flush and only the top edge is hitting the rim. Angle grind them to increase surface area. Or you can just wait for them to wear down.
You're right, I will de-gloss the surface on the new pads. I have no power tools here but can use sand paper on a hard, flat surface. Then, as the new pads wear-in to the rim, their adjustment may need to be watched with care.
These rims are from the mid-1980's. They lost their "virginity" a long time ago.
Spongy brakes. Replace your cables with high quality casings and inner wires from Shimano, Jagwire or Campy.
Stiff as a brick! I learned this a long time ago. It is spot-on advice.
New pads? More than likely they're not sitting flush and only the top edge is hitting the rim. Angle grind them to increase surface area. Or you can just wait for them to wear down.
You're right, I will de-gloss the surface on the new pads. I have no power tools here but can use sand paper on a hard, flat surface. Then, as the new pads wear-in to the rim, their adjustment may need to be watched with care.
All good advice. Really, the whole thread had good advice.
10-28-16, 09:31 AM
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Well at least you get the idea. Yeah, squeezing the pads helps crack their grip, but making a stud holder as you describe should work. The main thing is they are always in there tight, and you definitely do have to pull the pads and holders from the brakes and work on them off the bike. Don't even try to replace in situ.
10-28-16, 09:46 AM
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Definitely loosen around the holder with a flat, thin screwdriver. Take care and don't rush it, just break the bond all around the 3 contact sides. Some like to place the assembly in the freezer for a bit to reduce the pad slightly, also. Best of luck with the removal.
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10-28-16, 11:01 PM
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I have pried, soaked in oil, frozen, beaten, pushed and everything else. This one pad will NOT come out.
Two of the four (both from the rear brake) pushed out with about the force you'd expect - tough but doable. The third took much more force but it budged, then budged some more, then popped out.
The fourth one is beyond the beyond.
Would heat soften the rubber enough to push it out or make it stick like glue? Heat from braking the front wheel may be what cooked this rubber and heat sealed it to the holder.
P.S. - These are funny pads, some sort of composition. There appears to be orange flecks molded into the rubber. There appear to be a few bits of metal, too. Whether they imbedded themselves or were molded in, I cannot say. The rubber is very, very hard. It's almost stone-like. Well, there's no "almost" about it.
Funny, though, they still work.
Two of the four (both from the rear brake) pushed out with about the force you'd expect - tough but doable. The third took much more force but it budged, then budged some more, then popped out.
The fourth one is beyond the beyond.
Would heat soften the rubber enough to push it out or make it stick like glue? Heat from braking the front wheel may be what cooked this rubber and heat sealed it to the holder.
P.S. - These are funny pads, some sort of composition. There appears to be orange flecks molded into the rubber. There appear to be a few bits of metal, too. Whether they imbedded themselves or were molded in, I cannot say. The rubber is very, very hard. It's almost stone-like. Well, there's no "almost" about it.
Funny, though, they still work.
10-29-16, 12:13 AM
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I think I finally pushed mine apart with channel lock pliers.
I got some good ideas from these guys when I went through it a few years ago. When you get everything back together, remember to put the shoes back in the right direction...
https://www.bikeforums.net/16270429-post14.html
I got some good ideas from these guys when I went through it a few years ago. When you get everything back together, remember to put the shoes back in the right direction...
https://www.bikeforums.net/16270429-post14.html
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10-29-16, 05:05 AM
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P.S. - These are funny pads, some sort of composition. There appears to be orange flecks molded into the rubber. There appear to be a few bits of metal, too. Whether they imbedded themselves or were molded in, I cannot say. The rubber is very, very hard. It's almost stone-like. Well, there's no "almost" about it.
? Huh? I'd like to see that. Are these Campagnolo brake shoes?
10-29-16, 06:13 AM
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Your LBS can order them, here's the box with part number.
10-29-16, 07:53 AM
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+1 Cut it out. Saw down the middle as far as you can. Or use a Dremel, chisel, or whatever.
10-29-16, 08:39 AM
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10-29-16, 09:48 AM
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Okay, it's out. The pad holder had some corrosion on the inside. As you know, rust expands the surface. This wedged the pad in place. I removed the rust before re-installing the pads.
I have no idea why the front holders rusted at all or why only the front two.
The old pads are marked "MODOLO World Champion". They gave good service for a long time but they are done!
The replacement parts are new production, genuine CAMPAGNOLO parts, exactly like those shown in Michael Angelo's picture, above. They slid right into the holders, no problem.
Whew! Time for a bike ride.
I have no idea why the front holders rusted at all or why only the front two.
The old pads are marked "MODOLO World Champion". They gave good service for a long time but they are done!
The replacement parts are new production, genuine CAMPAGNOLO parts, exactly like those shown in Michael Angelo's picture, above. They slid right into the holders, no problem.
Whew! Time for a bike ride.
10-29-16, 03:08 PM
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I think I finally pushed mine apart with channel lock pliers.
I got some good ideas from these guys when I went through it a few years ago. When you get everything back together, remember to put the shoes back in the right direction...
https://www.bikeforums.net/16270429-post14.html
I got some good ideas from these guys when I went through it a few years ago. When you get everything back together, remember to put the shoes back in the right direction...
https://www.bikeforums.net/16270429-post14.html
They can be difficult. Proper tools do help.
Rim Metal embedding into the pad is not uncommon. Every once in a while on the way to work which includes a steep hill with a traffic signal at the base causes a bit to get caught. Remove the wheel, use a sharp awl and fleck it out.
10-29-16, 06:33 PM
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and just to bring home my prior point, the word CAMPAGNOLO appears legibly in that photo five times by my count.
The brake arm
The brake quick release
The brake shoe
The brake pad
The headset
That's probably outnumbered by places it's illegible or hidden.
The brake arm
The brake quick release
The brake shoe
The brake pad
The headset
That's probably outnumbered by places it's illegible or hidden.
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10-29-16, 11:19 PM
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I went for a ride this afternoon. What a difference new pads make to the feel of the brakes. They have a nicer feel - softer, more compliant but controllable and as powerful at stopping as before, or more.
I did get some squeal hauling it down from 30 mph, so I sanded the pads to create some toe-in. All is well now.
I did get some squeal hauling it down from 30 mph, so I sanded the pads to create some toe-in. All is well now.
10-30-16, 07:17 AM
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Much the same results last week for my swap to the Kool Stop salmon pads. I checked the old Campagnolo pads after taking them off, they are harder than I have seem any get from time and exposure in quite a while. No wonder they didn't seem to be working much, even after I de-glazed the faces and chamfered the leading edges.
Now, its very efficient and quiet too.
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Now, its very efficient and quiet too.
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03-02-18, 06:15 AM
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Sorry to bring this old thread back to life but am having trouble tracking down two 1985 era campy super record pad holders to use on a Ron Stout I'm putting back together. I've been looking long enough to start considering some kool stops for it and am wondering which ones will work with an older bike - or will it really make all that much difference?
