Discussion thread for Tour de France : Unchained | Official teaser | Netflix
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Hey look someone else made a video I have zero opinions on it, discuss.
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I don't even watch tour-de-france, so I have nothing to contribute to this topic.
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wolfchild you will note that the original TdFs were run on fixed gears. They might bring it back and you could miss it
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I hate the way it is produced, with “reality television” style music and sound effects, bits of fake commentary added in by too many different voices, and trying to amp up the drama on an event which has more than enough on its own. Can’t people watch documentary without being physically assaulted by music and flashy spectacle? The old World Cycling Production TDF videos were less dramatic but much more informative, and no one will ever be such good commentators As Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwin.
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Was wondering what steaming pile would follow the Lance interview.
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I’ve watched all 8 episodes, and I really enjoyed it, especially the behind the bus door perspective and insights into the thoughts of team managers. IMO, it was done with the same quality of content and camera work as “Formula 1: Drive to Survive” (which I also enjoyed). I found it best with the original languages and subtitles, rather than with English overdubs.
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I hate the way it is produced, with “reality television” style music and sound effects, bits of fake commentary added in by too many different voices, and trying to amp up the drama on an event which has more than enough on its own. Can’t people watch documentary without being physically assaulted by music and flashy spectacle? The old World Cycling Production TDF videos were less dramatic but much more informative, and no one will ever be such good commentators As Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwin.
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I reached down into my suitcase of courage to find the strength to watch the video. Alas, all I found was a dirty pair of Rapha bibs.
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Fun fact: Welk was from Strasburg, ND. I’ve seen the bed he born in, so I’ve got that going for me.
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I’ve watched all 8 episodes, and I really enjoyed it, especially the behind the bus door perspective and insights into the thoughts of team managers. IMO, it was done with the same quality of content and camera work as “Formula 1: Drive to Survive” (which I also enjoyed). I found it best with the original languages and subtitles, rather than with English overdubs.
I still need to figure out how the race actually works
There seems to be an individual winner for each segment
but they keep referring to the GC team concept
Why do the teams need to cluster themselves?
There was a scene where a guy left his team behind and was criticized
So, it's not just a free for all where every rider simply tries to finish as fast as he can?
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I never realized how poorly structured this race is.
All these crashes that take out a chunk of the tightly clustered peloton are ridiculous.
Seems way more dangerous than ever auto racing.
The crash featured on episode 1 and 2, was it controversial?
It seems like the guy deliberately drove him off the road and flipped into the metal barriers
All these crashes that take out a chunk of the tightly clustered peloton are ridiculous.
Seems way more dangerous than ever auto racing.
The crash featured on episode 1 and 2, was it controversial?
It seems like the guy deliberately drove him off the road and flipped into the metal barriers
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Yep, cycling doesn't suit everyone. Aside from the danger, a knowledge base must seem unattainable for those unable to do even minimal research.
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I've watched 2 episodes.
I still need to figure out how the race actually works
There seems to be an individual winner for each segment
but they keep referring to the GC team concept
Why do the teams need to cluster themselves?
There was a scene where a guy left his team behind and was criticized
So, it's not just a free for all where every rider simply tries to finish as fast as he can?
I still need to figure out how the race actually works
There seems to be an individual winner for each segment
but they keep referring to the GC team concept
Why do the teams need to cluster themselves?
There was a scene where a guy left his team behind and was criticized
So, it's not just a free for all where every rider simply tries to finish as fast as he can?
And what's the deal with tennis? Why do you get 15 points just for swatting ONE ball past the other player?
And don't get me started on curling! What's with all the brooms? The ice isn't even dirty!
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Yeah, it's almost as confusing as golf! I mean, why would a lower score be better?
And what's the deal with tennis? Why do you get 15 points just for swatting ONE ball past the other player?
And don't get me started on curling! What's with all the brooms? The ice isn't even dirty!
And what's the deal with tennis? Why do you get 15 points just for swatting ONE ball past the other player?
And don't get me started on curling! What's with all the brooms? The ice isn't even dirty!
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I've watched 2 episodes.
I still need to figure out how the race actually works
There seems to be an individual winner for each segment
but they keep referring to the GC team concept
Why do the teams need to cluster themselves?
There was a scene where a guy left his team behind and was criticized
So, it's not just a free for all where every rider simply tries to finish as fast as he can?
I still need to figure out how the race actually works
There seems to be an individual winner for each segment
but they keep referring to the GC team concept
Why do the teams need to cluster themselves?
There was a scene where a guy left his team behind and was criticized
So, it's not just a free for all where every rider simply tries to finish as fast as he can?
1. Each stage is an individual race with a winner.
2. The lowest combined time for all stages determines the riders’ General Classification (GC) ranking.
3. On mass start stages (not time trials), If you finish within 1 second of the rider ahead of you, you both get the same time for that stage.
4. Riding in the draft of another rider will save approx. 30% of your effort to go the same speed. This is the foundation for teamwork.
5. Team leaders (GC guys) will be kept out of the wind for as long as possible to conserve their energy for the times when they can do the most to affect their GC position. GC leaders tend to be the best climbers on the team because big climbs are where the most time can be won/lost.
6. Crashes happen because speeds are fast, roads are narrow, and lots of riders are fighting for the same spot in the peloton at the same time. It’s brutal and dangerous.
Watch races. Watch a lot of them. Chris Horner’s You Tube channel frequently digs into the nuances of racing tactics. It will be confusing for a while, but stick with it and it will start to make sense.
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