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Old 06-10-23, 04:00 PM
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“Grape Nuts - it contains neither grapes, nor nuts. Discuss.”
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Hey look someone else made a video I have zero opinions on it, discuss.
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I don't even watch tour-de-france, so I have nothing to contribute to this topic.
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wolfchild you will note that the original TdFs were run on fixed gears. They might bring it back and you could miss it
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I hate the way it is produced, with “reality television” style music and sound effects, bits of fake commentary added in by too many different voices, and trying to amp up the drama on an event which has more than enough on its own. Can’t people watch documentary without being physically assaulted by music and flashy spectacle? The old World Cycling Production TDF videos were less dramatic but much more informative, and no one will ever be such good commentators As Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwin.
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Originally Posted by bboy314
“Grape Nuts - it contains neither grapes, nor nuts. Discuss.”

Doesn't cure appendicitis, apparently:

https://casetext.com/case/collier-v-...eal-co-limited
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Originally Posted by bboy314
“Grape Nuts - it contains neither grapes, nor nuts. Discuss.”
Irn Bru : it has no "iron" and it is not brewed, but if you like it you must be a Scott.

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Was wondering what steaming pile would follow the Lance interview.
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I don't even watch tour-de-france, so I have nothing to contribute to this topic.
So why post? Nobody cares that you don’t watch it.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
So why post? Nobody cares that you don’t watch it.
To be edgy of course. He is one of the cool kids doing radical pranks and if he gains enough cool points he gets a free t-shirt.
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To be edgy of course. He is one of the cool kids doing radical pranks and if he gains enough cool points he gets a free t-shirt.
I dunno. He makes me feel uncool for riding a SS.
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I’ve watched all 8 episodes, and I really enjoyed it, especially the behind the bus door perspective and insights into the thoughts of team managers. IMO, it was done with the same quality of content and camera work as “Formula 1: Drive to Survive” (which I also enjoyed). I found it best with the original languages and subtitles, rather than with English overdubs.

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Originally Posted by 50PlusCycling
I hate the way it is produced, with “reality television” style music and sound effects, bits of fake commentary added in by too many different voices, and trying to amp up the drama on an event which has more than enough on its own. Can’t people watch documentary without being physically assaulted by music and flashy spectacle? The old World Cycling Production TDF videos were less dramatic but much more informative, and no one will ever be such good commentators As Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwin.
Thank you for sharing the retrogrouch perspective. Nothing is it’s good as the way they used to do it, right?
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I reached down into my suitcase of courage to find the strength to watch the video. Alas, all I found was a dirty pair of Rapha bibs.
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Thank you for sharing the retrogrouch perspective. Nothing is it’s good as the way they used to do it, right?
It’s why you can still find The Lawrence Welk Show reruns on TV.

Fun fact: Welk was from Strasburg, ND. I’ve seen the bed he born in, so I’ve got that going for me.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Thank you for sharing the retrogrouch perspective. Nothing is it’s good as the way they used to do it, right?
To be honest, not even nostalgia is as good as it used to be back in the day.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I’ve watched all 8 episodes, and I really enjoyed it, especially the behind the bus door perspective and insights into the thoughts of team managers. IMO, it was done with the same quality of content and camera work as “Formula 1: Drive to Survive” (which I also enjoyed). I found it best with the original languages and subtitles, rather than with English overdubs.
I've watched 2 episodes.

I still need to figure out how the race actually works
There seems to be an individual winner for each segment
but they keep referring to the GC team concept

Why do the teams need to cluster themselves?
There was a scene where a guy left his team behind and was criticized
So, it's not just a free for all where every rider simply tries to finish as fast as he can?
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I don't even watch tour-de-france, so I have nothing to contribute to this topic.
I did not eat a turkey sandwich today
Also, I am not a podiatrist

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I never realized how poorly structured this race is.
All these crashes that take out a chunk of the tightly clustered peloton are ridiculous.
Seems way more dangerous than ever auto racing.

The crash featured on episode 1 and 2, was it controversial?
It seems like the guy deliberately drove him off the road and flipped into the metal barriers
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Yep, cycling doesn't suit everyone. Aside from the danger, a knowledge base must seem unattainable for those unable to do even minimal research.
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Originally Posted by grantelmwood
I've watched 2 episodes.

I still need to figure out how the race actually works
There seems to be an individual winner for each segment
but they keep referring to the GC team concept

Why do the teams need to cluster themselves?
There was a scene where a guy left his team behind and was criticized
So, it's not just a free for all where every rider simply tries to finish as fast as he can?
Yeah, it's almost as confusing as golf! I mean, why would a lower score be better?

And what's the deal with tennis? Why do you get 15 points just for swatting ONE ball past the other player?

And don't get me started on curling! What's with all the brooms? The ice isn't even dirty!
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Originally Posted by Koyote
Yeah, it's almost as confusing as golf! I mean, why would a lower score be better?

And what's the deal with tennis? Why do you get 15 points just for swatting ONE ball past the other player?

And don't get me started on curling! What's with all the brooms? The ice isn't even dirty!
And very few plays in American football involve kicking the ball.
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Should encourage the op to watch a three-day test match (cricket), and give an opinion.
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Originally Posted by grantelmwood
I've watched 2 episodes.

I still need to figure out how the race actually works
There seems to be an individual winner for each segment
but they keep referring to the GC team concept

Why do the teams need to cluster themselves?
There was a scene where a guy left his team behind and was criticized
So, it's not just a free for all where every rider simply tries to finish as fast as he can?
Some basics…

1. Each stage is an individual race with a winner.
2. The lowest combined time for all stages determines the riders’ General Classification (GC) ranking.
3. On mass start stages (not time trials), If you finish within 1 second of the rider ahead of you, you both get the same time for that stage.
4. Riding in the draft of another rider will save approx. 30% of your effort to go the same speed. This is the foundation for teamwork.
5. Team leaders (GC guys) will be kept out of the wind for as long as possible to conserve their energy for the times when they can do the most to affect their GC position. GC leaders tend to be the best climbers on the team because big climbs are where the most time can be won/lost.
6. Crashes happen because speeds are fast, roads are narrow, and lots of riders are fighting for the same spot in the peloton at the same time. It’s brutal and dangerous.

Watch races. Watch a lot of them. Chris Horner’s You Tube channel frequently digs into the nuances of racing tactics. It will be confusing for a while, but stick with it and it will start to make sense.

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