Answer a Moral Dilemma: To Render Aid or Not
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If you didn't recognize it as a situation that needed your assistance, then you shouldn't feel bad about it. Especially if no effort is made to flag you down when there are persons that appear to be capable of recognizing your presence.
But don't use remaining blissfully ignorant of such situations as a pass for other things you might come across in the future. Though you do have to balance being too nosy against being too involved in other peoples stuff.
But don't use remaining blissfully ignorant of such situations as a pass for other things you might come across in the future. Though you do have to balance being too nosy against being too involved in other peoples stuff.
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I almost always say something if something things up - hardly anyone takes me up on it. They probably won't accept unless they really need it.
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I usually just casually say "you okay?" while riding past. Usually they just nod back or say something like "yeah fine". Never had any aggression aimed back in those situations. I think the trick is not to be overly enthusiastic or loud in making your offer of assistance. I think when people really need help they are likely to ask for it or be so smashed up that it's obvious they need it!
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Sometimes if I see somebody out on a recreational ride and they are having some difficulty and it looks like I have better tools or spares or bandaids I might slow down and ask if they need anything. But I’m not likely to actually stop unbidden and jump in unless there’s clearly some emergency going on. Just about everyone has a cell phone now.
But I’ve also ridden past homeless guys who by their nature surely need help more and might in fact be asking, and felt less inclined to help them. There was one a few months ago who was carrying a 50 gallon trash bag of laundry and asked me to call him a taxi as I rode by. It just felt like the opening gambit of some pathetic scam. I kept going.
So I don’t know.
But I’ve also ridden past homeless guys who by their nature surely need help more and might in fact be asking, and felt less inclined to help them. There was one a few months ago who was carrying a 50 gallon trash bag of laundry and asked me to call him a taxi as I rode by. It just felt like the opening gambit of some pathetic scam. I kept going.
So I don’t know.
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Maybe you roar by fellow motorists, but I don't. It's a long way between towns in Wyoming and many areas do not have cell phone service. A stranded and unprepared motorist can be in big trouble if left to their own devices. Whether drivers or cyclists, I've never had other than a polite and often grateful response to offers of assistance.
The funny thing is that if I am sitting by the side of the road taking something like a snack break and happen to encounter another cyclist I usually don’t get asked if I need help. I’m far more likely to get asked the same thing by motorists. I attribute that in part to cyclists knowing that other cyclists sometimes take breaks in seemingly odd places.
When I was touring in Montana in 2017 I came across a motorist who had recently hit a deer early in the morning. The front end of her car was crumpled in. At least two people stopped to check on her.
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I’ve never driven out west, but I have toured a good amount there, including in the middle of nowhere Wyoming. People in those places are good like that. I think many people on this site don’t look beyond their own riding experiences.
The funny thing is that if I am sitting by the side of the road taking something like a snack break and happen to encounter another cyclist I usually don’t get asked if I need help. I’m far more likely to get asked the same thing by motorists. I attribute that in part to cyclists knowing that other cyclists sometimes take breaks in seemingly odd places.
When I was touring in Montana in 2017 I came across a motorist who had recently hit a deer early in the morning. The front end of her car was crumpled in. At least two people stopped to check on her.
The funny thing is that if I am sitting by the side of the road taking something like a snack break and happen to encounter another cyclist I usually don’t get asked if I need help. I’m far more likely to get asked the same thing by motorists. I attribute that in part to cyclists knowing that other cyclists sometimes take breaks in seemingly odd places.
When I was touring in Montana in 2017 I came across a motorist who had recently hit a deer early in the morning. The front end of her car was crumpled in. At least two people stopped to check on her.
I was touring out West some years ago and did a long hard day and missed the grocery store. I set up my tent after eating some meagre crumbs of food. Just as I start to fall asleep, I hear a scratching noise on my tent. I open the fly and in comes a plate with steak, asparagus, and potatoes. "We saw all day going over mountain passes and we noticed you did not have much food. My kids would like to talk to you about bicycling, could you come over and have popcorn with us" What a great night it was. I had many such experiences with motorists in many countries although nothing topped that steak.
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So true about motorists
I was touring out West some years ago and did a long hard day and missed the grocery store. I set up my tent after eating some meagre crumbs of food. Just as I start to fall asleep, I hear a scratching noise on my tent. I open the fly and in comes a plate with steak, asparagus, and potatoes. "We saw all day going over mountain passes and we noticed you did not have much food. My kids would like to talk to you about bicycling, could you come over and have popcorn with us" What a great night it was. I had many such experiences with motorists in many countries although nothing topped that steak.
I was touring out West some years ago and did a long hard day and missed the grocery store. I set up my tent after eating some meagre crumbs of food. Just as I start to fall asleep, I hear a scratching noise on my tent. I open the fly and in comes a plate with steak, asparagus, and potatoes. "We saw all day going over mountain passes and we noticed you did not have much food. My kids would like to talk to you about bicycling, could you come over and have popcorn with us" What a great night it was. I had many such experiences with motorists in many countries although nothing topped that steak.
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that's a nice story
but I would never eat potentially poisoned food from strangers
but I would never eat potentially poisoned food from strangers
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I don’t know how some of you ever manage to eat a meal, or meet new people (especially women), without being overcome by the anxiety
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“Potentially poisoned food” from a family with kids who invite you over to talk and share some popcorn?! LOL. I can’t imagine living in such a fearful state. This thread has really gone off the deep end.
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Out of the maybe fifty people over the past thirty years where I asked "everything okay?," only one cyclist took me up on my offer of help.
On the other hand, over that same span, somebody lent me a hand a few times. Karma, baby.
On the other hand, over that same span, somebody lent me a hand a few times. Karma, baby.
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Hey newbie, your statements above are pure supposition with no basis in fact. There are plenty of other boards that get off on bashing women or making stereotypes but not here. Please keep these unsubstantiated opinions to yourself or go elsewhere.
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And I'm completely fine that not everyone will like my opinion, and I won't resort to insult an individual for being a forum newbie.
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I suppose it's situational. Some correspondents here apparently live in frightening places. Where I live and ride I always call out to a stopped rider to ensure they don't need help. If I pass them while driving, I usually won't stop if it doesn't appear they are in need. But if they're walking the bike, I'll stop and see if they need a ride. Doesn't happen very often.
The only time I can see a true moral dilemma is if someone is obviously in need of assistance which you know you are able to provide. That's not present in the OP's case so I don't see any moral concern.
The only time I can see a true moral dilemma is if someone is obviously in need of assistance which you know you are able to provide. That's not present in the OP's case so I don't see any moral concern.
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I almost always will ask if a fellow cyclist is in need if they are stopped by the side of the road or trail. Exception would be if I can clearly see that they are stopped for reasons other than a mechanical, injury, etc. But, as time has passed I have to admit to being more inclined to pass people by who are not in obvious need. Perhaps because of perceived increased inclination for people to be confrontational in recent times.
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Extremely situational question and too easy to second-guess. It certainly sounds like you couldn't have done anything that wasn't already being done. No use kicking yourself for not making the gesture.
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I have done a lot of solo bike touring. People tend to feel sorry for you when they see you on your own and sometimes offer you food. The wife of the Sprague Creek Campground host gave me oatmeal raisin cookies fresh out of the RV oven. A family in NH invited me over to their site and forced me to drink beer and eat hot dogs. I was given nearly half a pie at a campground in CT. A family having a picnic in a city park in MT where I was camping fed me. Etc.
In case you haven't noticed, I am still alive.
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He's either got reading comprehension issues or he purposefully ignores what was actually written so he can argue a manufactured point. Either way, it's sad and disruptive. But there is a lot of that on the Internet.
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If you didn't recognize it as a situation that needed your assistance, then you shouldn't feel bad about it. Especially if no effort is made to flag you down when there are persons that appear to be capable of recognizing your presence.
But don't use remaining blissfully ignorant of such situations as a pass for other things you might come across in the future. Though you do have to balance being too nosy against being too involved in other peoples stuff.
But don't use remaining blissfully ignorant of such situations as a pass for other things you might come across in the future. Though you do have to balance being too nosy against being too involved in other peoples stuff.
This situation isn't a good illustration of it, but when deciding whether or not to step in in any form, my first question to myself is if I might be getting in the way of someone who is already close or there and better equipped to deal with the situation. I'd never approach a situation where EMTs are already on the scene. for the really obvious example.
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I was starving to death on TABR and found a pie on the side of the road, I assume the Lord sent it to me. Yes, I ate it.
I cannot imagine how you would think a Mom or Dad handing me food could remotely be poisoned. Wild.
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I have done a lot of solo bike touring. People tend to feel sorry for you when they see you on your own and sometimes offer you food. The wife of the Sprague Creek Campground host gave me oatmeal raisin cookies fresh out of the RV oven. A family in NH invited me over to their site and forced me to drink beer and eat hot dogs. I was given nearly half a pie at a campground in CT. A family having a picnic in a city park in MT where I was camping fed me. Etc.
In case you haven't noticed, I am still alive.
I have done a lot of solo bike touring. People tend to feel sorry for you when they see you on your own and sometimes offer you food. The wife of the Sprague Creek Campground host gave me oatmeal raisin cookies fresh out of the RV oven. A family in NH invited me over to their site and forced me to drink beer and eat hot dogs. I was given nearly half a pie at a campground in CT. A family having a picnic in a city park in MT where I was camping fed me. Etc.
In case you haven't noticed, I am still alive.
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doesn't hurt to ask
we had a good Samaritan drive Wifey to the ER when she fell & broke her wrist after crashing into a bollard. we were 5 miles from our car. I biked back to our car, drove to retrieve her bike from the crash scene, then drove to the ER to pick her up. she was well, sporting a new cast
w/ rare exception, when I ask, the ppl don't need my help
for reference, this is what a person in distress looks like (fwiw - when I heard the crash I ran to help her. after checking on her I took this photo as evidence) the kind gentleman came to help, he worked at the beach & watched her bike while I went to get the car. the good Samaritan was someone driving out from visiting the beach
we had a good Samaritan drive Wifey to the ER when she fell & broke her wrist after crashing into a bollard. we were 5 miles from our car. I biked back to our car, drove to retrieve her bike from the crash scene, then drove to the ER to pick her up. she was well, sporting a new cast
w/ rare exception, when I ask, the ppl don't need my help
for reference, this is what a person in distress looks like (fwiw - when I heard the crash I ran to help her. after checking on her I took this photo as evidence) the kind gentleman came to help, he worked at the beach & watched her bike while I went to get the car. the good Samaritan was someone driving out from visiting the beach
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