What year did Campagnolo become Shimano?
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I haven't found Campy aesthetically pleasing since the demise of the C-Record stuff around 1993. Clean, sharp edges and high polish disappeared that were the hallmark of what almost everyone agrees were the most beautiful components ever made. I haven't bought any Campagnolo stuff since.
After this they started to lose the plot and went down the path of Brutalism with UltraTorque cranksets
As for wheels, they lost the plot when they came up with these triplet spoke patterns where the front and rear wheels don't even match
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Those speakers and Mcintosh amp/pre look great, but those lamps and that sculpture thing have got to go (or at least move them off the speakers).
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I'm with the OP in thinking that aesthetics are important. I hate the design of the Ultegra crank. That, along with the fact that I wasn't comfortable with brake levers moving in two planes pushed me towards SRAM on my road bike. I used to be a Campagnolo man myself back in the late nineties; those cranks looked more organic than manufactured.
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Campy groupsets still looked good as recently as the early 10 speed:
After this they started to lose the plot and went down the path of Brutalism with UltraTorque cranksets
As for wheels, they lost the plot when they came up with these triplet spoke patterns where the front and rear wheels don't even match
After this they started to lose the plot and went down the path of Brutalism with UltraTorque cranksets
As for wheels, they lost the plot when they came up with these triplet spoke patterns where the front and rear wheels don't even match
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I don't think they were copying Shimano here. Shimano wasn't the original, either. Cheap box/department store bikes have had 4 armed swagged cranks that looked like this since before 2000.
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Like everyone else in this thread, I wish Shimano had killed off Campagnolo at the same time that they obliterated Suntour. Shame on them for attempting to adapt for survival!
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I don't know if that's everyone's opinion. They did make the Centeron G pulley. Once the Suntour patent on the slant parallelogram RD expired, Shimano refined it and the rest is history.
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My modern Campagnolo cranks are all from the 5 arm era, but they are carbon fiber and they also look like the new 4 arm cranks.
I went with Campagnolo because I find them intuitive, unlike brake levers that wobble or two clicks to shift down...
As a post script: Shimano are alloy, Campagnolo are carbon. The Hirth joint? Shimano copy? You are kidding?
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Did you try riding the newer bicycle and see if there's a functional difference or feel that would improve rideability versus just making a judgement based on aesthetic appearance? Frankly, I'm quite satisfied with Shimano's Tiagra level components on my bicycles. Once adjusted they shift crisply & cleanly with no problems. I can't feel any difference between Tiagra and 105, and I don't see a need for Campagnolo components with their higher price point since the Shimano stuff works well. The best upgrade I've found to improve drivetrain performance when using decent components is good quality cables.
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Shimano's Hollowtech II was and is the more elegant solution that solves the problem without undue complexity. Campy's Hirth joint solution came later, and is more expensive and complex without any notable improvement.
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Bikes in general have lost the aesthetics from decades ago. Same with automobiles. Every SUV, sedan or pickup shares the same shape as the other brand. Take the logo off the car and it's hard to tell what car it is. Dare I say even BMW's look like some of the Korean imports?
Same with bikes. Carbon and aluminum rule as does the industrial clean no nonsense design. Bikes in one group, say carbon, all seem to display the same look. Heck many of the bikes sold today are made in one of two plants (Maxway and Giant). Those companies build bikes for many brands. That's why they all look alike.
Do I miss the flowing lines of old Campy? Yes. Do I like the look of some of the new bikes and components? Yes. I own both and enjoy both. I will tell you this though, my dream bike is not a $10,000 carbon wonderbike. My dream bike is a Colnago Arabesque with a full new old stock (NOS) Campy Super Record group.
This is a bicycle when form is married to function...
I'm not talking racing. I'm talking pure riding enjoyment.
Same with bikes. Carbon and aluminum rule as does the industrial clean no nonsense design. Bikes in one group, say carbon, all seem to display the same look. Heck many of the bikes sold today are made in one of two plants (Maxway and Giant). Those companies build bikes for many brands. That's why they all look alike.
Do I miss the flowing lines of old Campy? Yes. Do I like the look of some of the new bikes and components? Yes. I own both and enjoy both. I will tell you this though, my dream bike is not a $10,000 carbon wonderbike. My dream bike is a Colnago Arabesque with a full new old stock (NOS) Campy Super Record group.
This is a bicycle when form is married to function...
I'm not talking racing. I'm talking pure riding enjoyment.
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Bikes in general have lost the aesthetics from decades ago. Same with automobiles. Every SUV, sedan or pickup shares the same shape as the other brand. Take the logo off the car and it's hard to tell what car it is. Dare I say even BMW's look like some of the Korean imports?
Same with bikes. Carbon and aluminum rule as does the industrial clean no nonsense design. Bikes in one group, say carbon, all seem to display the same look. Heck many of the bikes sold today are made in one of two plants (Maxway and Giant). Those companies build bikes for many brands. That's why they all look alike.
Do I miss the flowing lines of old Campy? Yes. Do I like the look of some of the new bikes and components? Yes. I own both and enjoy both. I will tell you this though, my dream bike is not a $10,000 carbon wonderbike. My dream bike is a Colnago Arabesque with a full new old stock (NOS) Campy Super Record group.
This is a bicycle when form is married to function...
I'm not talking racing. I'm talking pure riding enjoyment.
Same with bikes. Carbon and aluminum rule as does the industrial clean no nonsense design. Bikes in one group, say carbon, all seem to display the same look. Heck many of the bikes sold today are made in one of two plants (Maxway and Giant). Those companies build bikes for many brands. That's why they all look alike.
Do I miss the flowing lines of old Campy? Yes. Do I like the look of some of the new bikes and components? Yes. I own both and enjoy both. I will tell you this though, my dream bike is not a $10,000 carbon wonderbike. My dream bike is a Colnago Arabesque with a full new old stock (NOS) Campy Super Record group.
This is a bicycle when form is married to function...
I'm not talking racing. I'm talking pure riding enjoyment.
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Sometimes the BS gets so thick it just needs to be called out.
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OK. But the starfish was made by Mavic, not Campy
Huh? Campy front derailleur is exactly as you said- two clicks to shift.
Shimano's Hollowtech II was and is the more elegant solution that solves the problem without undue complexity. Campy's Hirth joint solution came later, and is more expensive and complex without any notable improvement.
Huh? Campy front derailleur is exactly as you said- two clicks to shift.
Shimano's Hollowtech II was and is the more elegant solution that solves the problem without undue complexity. Campy's Hirth joint solution came later, and is more expensive and complex without any notable improvement.
2) No. My primary bike Campagnolo is EPS, so front or rear, big lever to move to a bigger sprocket, small lever to move to a smaller sprocket. Even I can remember that. And on the mechanical front derailleur, the two clicks are to trim the derailleur position, not one for up, two for down.
3) Hollowtech cranks NEVER fail at the bonded joint...My 5 arm crank from around 2011 has the Hirth Joint and it works, and it allows me to preload the bearings by shimming the bottom bracket cups. It is in no way shape or form a "copy" of the Shimano crank. And I like the way it looks; no clamp at the spindle.