Maelochs

Totally wrong.

The difference is easy to see and is quantifiable.

People who are handicapped through either accidents or from birth or illness and take a positive stand, go on to live Better lives--happier and more productive, and inspiring to others.

People who swirl down the self-pity toilet not only hate their own lives, they make themselves a burden to everyone around them.

If in your value system creating a burden for a lot of people versus helping a lot of other people overcome problems, are equal in value .... well .... think harder.

It seems to me that you need more time learning how to use your specific talents, and also pick up some minor communications skills. Not really easy, but not really hard, and certainly possible.

Look how well you are doing here? if on Bike Forum fewer than two thirds of the posters hate you , you are winning big.

But yeah, logical thinking ... thinking in general is not my forte, but you will need to master the basics.

For instance ... did you think before you said being miserable and being a drain on life was equal to being positive and being a force for good? Maybe if you don't post for a few minutes, then read the post ... you gush out all your feelings ... then go think about them just little and decide if that is really the message you want to send.

And if you think the folks in the Paralympics and the Special Olympics are no different than the guy in the wheelchair who never bathes and shouts rude things all day while holding out a cup ... okay. That's your opinion. So be it.

Mobile 155

You might be in the wrong forum. Politics and religion or A&S maybe? Your points would be more with their intended audience.

When you say a statement that contends something that goes , “If this happens then that will happen,” reasoning people will look to see if it can pass the test of reality. That is why dreaming unaccompanied by action doesn’t accomplish much.

As far as cycling I would match my cycling against yours. I could even point you to my participation in the old Furnace Creek 508 event. But that has nothing to do with what we have been talking about.

If your problem is with society there is very little I can say to aswage your dissatisfaction. But at least you are admitting the car is not the problem. You do know it sounds a bit like a Luddite when you put man made machines in the mix. As far as religion goes it is part of the forum guidelines so it doesn’t get the thread moved. Research is your friend and not all people you disagree with are pagans. Some worked as a hospice chaplain for years.

bp2k8

baphomet is wack

bp2k8

child of god

Maelochs

Maybe you are conflating everything you hate into a single symbol of evil and not actually looking at each part?

Look---people can be creative and logical, Leonardo da Vinci told me once.

You make your own life tougher than it needs to be, by not taking responsibility for your own experiences. If you Feel alienated or angry or insulted ... that’s you. But if you Blame other people for Making you feel that way ... that’s you, too. if you don’t control your own mind, you will get batted around by people who hardly even notice you.

And probably half the people you think are against fall into that class—they barely notice you, while you think they are against you.

People are selfish, I think we can agree.

You are a person.

If you could Stop thinking about how you feel all the time, and care about others ... you’d find less to be upset about or at least different things. if you keep turning away from life pretty soon you won’t be able to function.

I understand how hard it is growing up being “different.” But you grow up. You learn. You grab yourself and give yourself a good shake and say, “I need to learn some stuff so I can function, and I Will.”

You don’t have to give up being the person you are now—you need to Augment the person you are now. Learn some life skills.

Probably you could give back a lot to this world—you have the imagination and the empathy that a lot of people do lack. But if you cannot Will yourself to grow and learn, you wil end up on the roadside holding out a cup begging for coins. (Well, maybe not .. I nearly did ... that or dead.).)

Maybe it is just that time in your life where you decide to take your life and your being to a higher level. Maybe this is about the time when that process starts.

By the way ... Everyone gets kicked around by the world. Sometimes we deserve it sometimes it is unfair, but it happens. You cannot be so self-centered that all you do is focus on the pain and run away crying.

Kids growing up skin their knees, get poison ivy and sunburn, maybe break a bone here or there .... part of living, part of growing.

Learn no tot care so much about the little stuff, and focus on what matters.

Logical thought may not be your forte ... but that doesn’t mean you don’t need it—and in fact you use it quite a bit, but not steadily.

If you Really don’t want to be an outcast all your life—you need to start caring about other people. When you really want to reach out to others, you will find the will to develop the tools you need, and your life and their lives will get better.

bp2k8

I am that I am

McBTC

evolved, yes– all of us as science currently understands it are the direct offspring of fewer more than 200 breeding pairs (about the size of a large wedding party) who survived the last ice age. This heads-up is based on our current knowledge the human genome and statistics.

bp2k8

you are a shell of what you were

badger1

Vide subsequent posts. This nonsense is spiralling out of control.

cooker

Well, I cetainly hope you aren't a science teacher! If you are tired of this forum, there is a whole forum dedicated to discussing politics and religion. However, you could also post stuff about living car-free here.

If you look at the top of the page, you will see that this forum is supposed to be about: "Do you live car-free or car-light? Do you prefer to use alternate transportation (bicycles, walking, other human-powered or public transportation) for everyday activities whenever possible? Discuss your lifestyle here."

This thread is about "Living with/without a car".

bp2k8

cooker

I hope you stay and talk about car-free living, but it's up to you.

bp2k8

its good for you

cooker

There's also a forum on advocacy - not specifically for utility cyclists like many of us, but for all types of cycling.

badger1

If you are serious, here is an example of precisely what @cooker is talking about:

https://www.bikeforums.net/living-ca...-question.html

McBTC

So, science is not welcome here – already knew that – and, we're not going to start discussing the possibilities of what some supernatural being(s) want us to do... got it!

cooker

Is there some scientific issue related to living car free you are interested in starting a thread on? It would be great if you could start some new appropriate threads.

McBTC

In the future living car free may not be as attractive a lifestyle as living carefree. Mobility has value and before long (travel by horse wasn't that long ago) science may help take us all for a ride...

StanSeven

Thanks to the several posters for getting this thread back on topic. It’s easy at time for threads to drift. I’m glad you took care of it.

Stan

Roody

Good ideas for cutting back on car usage. Countries in the EU have committed to carfree cities by 2050. At this time it looks like the US will be a few years behind them.

Walter S

I'm not sure we live on the same planet. I don't have a car. I eat fast food. I don't grow any food at all. No wild game (or meat for that matter since I'm vegetarian). I simply go to a variety of stores or restaurants and buy food.

Why does no cars mean that we need to cope only with what occurs in nature?? Just buy a pack of cigarettes if you want. You can do that with the help of a car - or not.

How does not having a car make us all appreciate each other?

Walter S

Here in Atlanta Amtrack has a east/west line with one train per day in either direction. OTOH light rail is every 15 min at rush hour and I think every 20-30 min till sometime late at night (but not 24 hours for train or bus - the bus doesn't run till after 6 a.m. which kind of irritates me sometimes).

Neither do I personally. But many people find a lot of utility and convenience in having a car. They would not be agreeable with the way you dismiss their use of a car as unimportant.

I don't think you would go far as a legislator if you're prepared to enforce your car rationioning on the public in general.

So greed is what makes people drive? I thought it was convenience/utility. What is it they're trying to obtain by being "greedy"?

I guess by force if necessary? (since it clearly would be). Do you even realize what a small minority you are? Some people might react angrily towards what you say. But they're not even aware you exist.

bp2k8

back to your normally scheduled program....

bp2k8

Walter S

Whatever. The post you replied to was a question of what the world would be like without cars. That's why I assumed you were on that topic. If you're going to fly off into spiritual land don't expect us to all know.