Calling all cottered crank experts
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Calling all cottered crank experts-French content
I'm thinking of throwing my hat into the $100 clunker challenge and have a question about cottered cranks. I picked up a beat up Gitane mixte as a donor bike for $25. I'm planning to transfer as many parts as I can from it to a Windsor Carrera frame including the cottered cranks from the Gitane. The issue is the Gitane's bottom bracket is French and the Windsor's is British. I installed some British cups in the Windsor and when I installed the French spindle, the adjustable cup doesn't thread in as much as I'd like when the bearings are adjusted. I read about French BB cups being thinner.
First: Does it really matter if the adjustable cup isn't screwed in as much as it would be with a "normal" spindle? Will it harm anything to run it like that?
Second: Can I hunt down a british cottered spindle and use that instead of the French spindle? Are the drillings in the crank for the spindle/cotter pins the same for British and French cranks?
Thanks, Mike
First: Does it really matter if the adjustable cup isn't screwed in as much as it would be with a "normal" spindle? Will it harm anything to run it like that?
Second: Can I hunt down a british cottered spindle and use that instead of the French spindle? Are the drillings in the crank for the spindle/cotter pins the same for British and French cranks?
Thanks, Mike
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If I remember correctly, French and Japanese spindles are 15mm and English spindles are 9/16" or something like that. I think the cotters are different, too.
The longer French spindles are nice for those of us with 70mm Raleigh BB shells.
If the adjustable cup only sticks out a couple of MM then don't sweat it, just ride.
Maybe a Japanese spindle is what you want.
It's been years since I actually knew this stuff so it might be best to wait for the next guy to respond.
The longer French spindles are nice for those of us with 70mm Raleigh BB shells.
If the adjustable cup only sticks out a couple of MM then don't sweat it, just ride.
Maybe a Japanese spindle is what you want.
It's been years since I actually knew this stuff so it might be best to wait for the next guy to respond.
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Sheldon also says that the pedals are different;
https://sheldonbrown.com/velos.html
https://sheldonbrown.com/velos.html
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The seller says that he's not sure what cotters they use and that he believes it's more a function of the cranks. If the Japanese cottered cranks use a 9.4mm cotter pin, I would assume the depth of the slot on the spindle would be deeper than a French spindle which uses 9.0mm cotter pins. I guess for ~$7, I could buy it and see if it'll work.
What I'm trying to do is not very common. There's lots of info out there for converting French cottered bottom brackets to square taper but no info on using French cottered cranks on a standard 68mm, British threaded frame.
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I think I was trying to put a French stronglight crank on a 70mm Raleigh BB shell once. It's all gotten a bit muddled in my head. There used to be a great set of tables on the web for this but it's gone now. I really wish I'd saved that data somewhere. It was from an 80s edition of Barnett's or something like that.
Seems to me that the flats on the spindle for the cotters are plenty wide to do whatever you want with them, so long as you file the tapers right. So yes, I'd agree that it's more about the crank than the spindle.
Seems to me that the flats on the spindle for the cotters are plenty wide to do whatever you want with them, so long as you file the tapers right. So yes, I'd agree that it's more about the crank than the spindle.
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If you can give me some dimensions, I may have the spindle you seek. I need to know the overall length and that divided into three segments: right end to the cusp after the right cone, cusp to cusp, and left cusp to left end. That last dimension may not matter much. I have a lot of spindles, yours for not much more than the cost of shipping.
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If you can give me some dimensions, I may have the spindle you seek. I need to know the overall length and that divided into three segments: right end to the cusp after the right cone, cusp to cusp, and left cusp to left end. That last dimension may not matter much. I have a lot of spindles, yours for not much more than the cost of shipping.
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Just posting here with a workable solution. It was suggested that I could use a spacer behind the fixed BB cup by rhm. I had a spacer from an old cassette hanging around, installed it, and it looks like it's going to be a winner. Thanks again for your help guys.
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I will be the first to say why on tranferring low end French cottered cranks to anything other than a reycle bin? The Windsor should be ISO you can pick up a decent used crankset and BB for under $30.
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Because, when used with the right axles and pins, cottered cranks work fine and often look quite a bit better than low-end aluminum stuff. The idea that cottered cranks are worthless stems entirely from poor installation.
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Edit: In addition to the above, I'm making good use of a bike that would otherwise be destined to the trash heap. Let's face it, a French mixte in need of new derailleurs, cables, full bearing service, wheel tensioning/truing, tires/tubes, rust removal/polishing, and extensive paint touch up is not an economically or technically feasible project for 99.9% of people.
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