Need help.I bought a really nice bike today and it shows as Stolen
12-18-22, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by soyabean
Not really.
In another 10 years, the world will be so much more woke than it is today, that it will be a legal obligation for a buyer to do all the work in returning confirmed stolen property back to its owner, or face punishment from the law as an accomplice to the crime.
In another 10 years, the world will be so much more woke than it is today, that it will be a legal obligation for a buyer to do all the work in returning confirmed stolen property back to its owner, or face punishment from the law as an accomplice to the crime.
This has nothing to do with "woke", that's basically always been the law. Right now it's illegal in most places to knowingly sell, possess, dispose and/or transport stolen property with the intent of depriving the rightful owner of the property's use. Do the math here, how many legal options does that leave you with?
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12-18-22, 04:10 PM
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Hopefully the next victim of this seller appreciates the social conscience of him not being held accountable. You did the right thing returning the bike, why stop there?
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Originally Posted by soyabean
Not really.
In another 10 years, the world will be so much more woke than it is today, that it will be a legal obligation for a buyer to do all the work in returning confirmed stolen property back to its owner, or face punishment from the law as an accomplice to the crime.
In another 10 years, the world will be so much more woke than it is today, that it will be a legal obligation for a buyer to do all the work in returning confirmed stolen property back to its owner, or face punishment from the law as an accomplice to the crime.
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12-18-22, 04:33 PM
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Basically, it's a request to move this to the P&R.
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Originally Posted by soyabean
Not really.
In another 10 years, the world will be so much more woke than it is today, that it will be a legal obligation for a buyer to do all the work in returning confirmed stolen property back to its owner, or face punishment from the law as an accomplice to the crime.
In another 10 years, the world will be so much more woke than it is today, that it will be a legal obligation for a buyer to do all the work in returning confirmed stolen property back to its owner, or face punishment from the law as an accomplice to the crime.
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12-18-22, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
No! This could be considered extortion--generally threatening to report a crime unless you are paid is itself criminal (blackmail). You don't want to do anything that could be construed as that it's not worth the risk.
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12-18-22, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by himespau
Basically, it's a request to move this to the P&R.
It's amazing how hard some people will work to politicize everything. Is the idea that you can't knowingly keep stolen property controversial?
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
It's amazing how hard some people will work to politicize everything. Is the idea that you can't knowingly keep stolen property controversial?
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12-18-22, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by veganbikes
True, disregard my last. I wasn't thinking about that. To be clear though I wasn't thinking of actually letting the person know about police involvement just simply asking for money back and that would be the end of dealings with that person beyond going to police but yeah probably shouldn't be doing that. I just hate bike thieves!
The problem is that when the thief gets arrested, they may very well lie about you threatening to report them just to get you in trouble. Just not worth the risk.
My advice to clients is that if you intend to call the police on someone, don't talk to that person before you do it, just do it. If they do get convicted, they might get ordered to pay you back the money as restitution.
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Originally Posted by curbtender
Hopefully the next victim of this seller appreciates the social conscience of him not being held accountable. You did the right thing returning the bike, why stop there?
Reading between the lines, it seems likely that the bike was purchased in a different town than it was stolen from (100 mile drive). From experience, I can tell you that might be the set-up for a runaround as both police departments try to pawn off the case on the other. From the standpoint of getting the bike back to its rightful owner quickly, this might have been the best way to proceed. I probably wouldn't handle it this way, but I'm not going to criticize someone for doing the right thing by the owner.
12-18-22, 08:25 PM
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Around here police could really care less about a stolen bike
12-18-22, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Camilo
And why even check the serial number against a database? It wouldn't have crossed my mind because I guess I wouldn't have thought about it being stolen. I've bought and sold many bikes and frames used locally and through ebay and even this site. It never crossed my mind to check if they were stolen.
But if I suspected it might be stolen, why wait til after the purchase to check it?
But if I suspected it might be stolen, why wait til after the purchase to check it?
In the meantime, the wannabe detectives and attorneys are on the case, even though 98% of the details are pure conjecture.
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12-18-22, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolla
^^ Most nail-on-the-head response of the whole thread.
In the meantime, the wannabe detectives and attorneys are on the case, even though 98% of the details are pure conjecture.
Streaming now:
In the meantime, the wannabe detectives and attorneys are on the case, even though 98% of the details are pure conjecture.
Streaming now:
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12-18-22, 08:47 PM
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Thanks for all feedback.
I am a second generation immigrant so I thought it was important to do the right thing. There were different ideas here and I respect them all. The important thing to remember is we're lucky to live in a land where we can talk about this freely. I hope the next time we all talk it's about something less toxic like how to wax your bike or dog owners with those tiny leashes you can't se until th last second.
I am a second generation immigrant so I thought it was important to do the right thing. There were different ideas here and I respect them all. The important thing to remember is we're lucky to live in a land where we can talk about this freely. I hope the next time we all talk it's about something less toxic like how to wax your bike or dog owners with those tiny leashes you can't se until th last second.
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12-18-22, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolla
^^ Most nail-on-the-head response of the whole thread.
In the meantime, the wannabe detectives and attorneys are on the case, even though 98% of the details are pure conjecture.
Streaming now:
In the meantime, the wannabe detectives and attorneys are on the case, even though 98% of the details are pure conjecture.
Streaming now:
Lame.
The situation is pretty clear cut, no one is trying to be a detective, and I actually am an attorney. Meantime, really bad display of a wannabe comedy writer.
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12-18-22, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AJW2W11E
I checked my phone. I noticed that Bike Index let me Login now. (it didn't yesterday) .
I pulled up the owner's information.
There was a phone number and I called it.
I pulled up the owner's information.
There was a phone number and I called it.
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12-18-22, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Lame.
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12-18-22, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolla
You don't read so well, do you? Person chose to "share information" as specified as a possibility in your quote.
Who's lamely playing detective here? Oh, it's you.
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Originally Posted by Rolla
Gullible.
Nope, just have better reading comprehension than you.
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Originally Posted by AJW2W11E
Thanks for all feedback. I am a second generation immigrant so I thought it was important to do the right thing. There were different ideas here and J respect them all. The important thing to remember iis we're lucky to live in a land where we can talk about this freely. I hope the next time we all talk it's about something less toxic like how to wax your bike.
https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycl...opular-32.html
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Oh, wipe off your screen, frothy. I call BS on the whole story, but you do you. Now let's see that smile.
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Originally Posted by soyabean
Not really.
In another 10 years, the world will be so much more woke than it is today, that it will be a legal obligation for a buyer to do all the work in returning confirmed stolen property back to its owner, or face punishment from the law as an accomplice to the crime.
In another 10 years, the world will be so much more woke than it is today, that it will be a legal obligation for a buyer to do all the work in returning confirmed stolen property back to its owner, or face punishment from the law as an accomplice to the crime.
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Originally Posted by AJW2W11E
I thought about it . This wasn't a violent crime. You put the seller in jail, and then he's out and maybe homeless, and a bigger burden on society.
(our city has a major homeless problem)
So I drove into the city to confront the seller. The place was a bit spooky. No answer at the door
Went back to my car to think this over,
I checked my phone. I noticed that Bike Index let me Login now. (it didn't yesterday) .
I pulled up the owner's information.
There was a phone number and I called it.
The owner confirmed it and gave me her address and I returned the Bike to her..
I realize there are other solutions, but I wasted two days and a 100 miles on this. This is it for me.
(our city has a major homeless problem)
So I drove into the city to confront the seller. The place was a bit spooky. No answer at the door
Went back to my car to think this over,
I checked my phone. I noticed that Bike Index let me Login now. (it didn't yesterday) .
I pulled up the owner's information.
There was a phone number and I called it.
The owner confirmed it and gave me her address and I returned the Bike to her..
I realize there are other solutions, but I wasted two days and a 100 miles on this. This is it for me.
