Calling Bianchi experts--Please help ID frame
03-13-24, 09:54 AM
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Calling Bianchi experts--Please help ID frame
I'm not very knowledgeable about Bianchis, lovely as they are. Can anyone help me determine year and model for this particular bike Detail photos below). Most certainly Japanese. Shimano dropouts, 130 spaced, long point lugs, lots of chrome, cable guides on top of BB, one set of bottle bosses. No decals or tubing sticker. Full Ultegra 6500. Serial No. CS 26904. Thanks for any insight.
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03-14-24, 11:30 AM
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It's odd that the logo on staycaps is the "older font" as well as the amount of chrome on this frame if it was actually Asian-made from the (let's say) early '80s (and sure seems to have been re-painted and the rear triangle spread for 130)
Another clue (besides that serial number) would be the seat post size, plus the BB threading
It's odd that the logo on staycaps is the "older font" as well as the amount of chrome on this frame if it was actually Asian-made from the (let's say) early '80s (and sure seems to have been re-painted and the rear triangle spread for 130)
Another clue (besides that serial number) would be the seat post size, plus the BB threading
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In any event, it looks like a nice bike that I would expect to ride well.
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I am anxiously awaiting the results of this query.
The local co-op has one of these as well. The Celeste doesn’t seem very vintage, but it could’ve been repainted and property. Decals installed.
It has the “B” on the forks, and the Panto on the seat stays plus 3 cable guides.
The spread is 126.
The local co-op has one of these as well. The Celeste doesn’t seem very vintage, but it could’ve been repainted and property. Decals installed.
It has the “B” on the forks, and the Panto on the seat stays plus 3 cable guides.
The spread is 126.
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Interesting. Mine is a made-in-Italy 1982, with under-bb routing and no front derailleur hanger. Front derailleur hangers seem to have fallen in and out of favor over the years -- I am thinking back to 1950s bikes with Simplex "clanger"/"suicide"/"stick-shift" front derailleurs.
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the more I look the weirder this gets: clearly there's been some aftermarket work done cause I don't think the FD hanger and over-BB cable guides align with a JP-made Bianchi from the early-mid '80s era (or earlier!) we are guessing.
Also I confess I still don't understand Asian serial numbers but per T-Mar's guide that 2-letter 5-numeral SN doesn't correspond...yet it has Shimano DOs, so has to be Asian-made, right?
Are fork ends also Shimano?
Also appears the rear bridge is for a nutted caliper, is the fork drilled same (or been modded)?
Still would like to know the seat post size and BB threading just to cross off some dead-end clues
And just to add more to this dead horse beat-down, I went to find some catalog scans and as a data point here's the last 2 pages for USA catalog 1983 that show the 4 bare framesets Bianchi offered (also same 4 in '84) that show
-one Italian frameset with Columbus tubing and I guess Campy ends with a touch of chrome
-3 Japanese-made with Ishiwata tubing and forks and zero chrome, no specs that call out if these have Shimano or SunTour ends but I bet Shimano since Bianchi had complete bikes that use those in '87
ALL (JP sets) have over BB shell cable routing, NONE seem to have a FD tab, cannot tell about brake drilling or WB bosses (except the Italian Specialissima seems to have one pair)
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Also I confess I still don't understand Asian serial numbers but per T-Mar's guide that 2-letter 5-numeral SN doesn't correspond...yet it has Shimano DOs, so has to be Asian-made, right?
Are fork ends also Shimano?
Also appears the rear bridge is for a nutted caliper, is the fork drilled same (or been modded)?
Still would like to know the seat post size and BB threading just to cross off some dead-end clues
And just to add more to this dead horse beat-down, I went to find some catalog scans and as a data point here's the last 2 pages for USA catalog 1983 that show the 4 bare framesets Bianchi offered (also same 4 in '84) that show
-one Italian frameset with Columbus tubing and I guess Campy ends with a touch of chrome
-3 Japanese-made with Ishiwata tubing and forks and zero chrome, no specs that call out if these have Shimano or SunTour ends but I bet Shimano since Bianchi had complete bikes that use those in '87
ALL (JP sets) have over BB shell cable routing, NONE seem to have a FD tab, cannot tell about brake drilling or WB bosses (except the Italian Specialissima seems to have one pair)
Check it out:
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Seatpost size is 27.2. I’ll have to check the BB threading and fork ends. Fork brake mount is recessed. I am guessing this is a modification. We’ve really been scratching our heads on this one. Also assuming it has been rechromed. Have never seen a Bianchi with a fully chromed head tube. Thanks all for your help so far.
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"Seatpost size is 27.2"
It just got weirder (for me anyway) since I'd expect either Tange or ishiwata seat tubes to have either 27.0 or 26.8.
I suppose it could have been reamed for 27.2 since it's enjoyed some other mods...
when you get around to more close inspection: shine a light up the base of the fork steerer and see if there's any "rifling".
It just got weirder (for me anyway) since I'd expect either Tange or ishiwata seat tubes to have either 27.0 or 26.8.
I suppose it could have been reamed for 27.2 since it's enjoyed some other mods...
when you get around to more close inspection: shine a light up the base of the fork steerer and see if there's any "rifling".
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I'm curious about the chrome. Does it looked highly polished or like someone removed paint from it? Where are you and the bike? Most of my knowledge is from my USA catalogs. A Canadian model might account for the chrome, especially the fork.
Considering the Shipmano dropouts I agree it's likely the early '80s Professional generally with the 022 Ishawata tubing
Considering the Shipmano dropouts I agree it's likely the early '80s Professional generally with the 022 Ishawata tubing
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The bike and I are in Minneapolis, so it’s certainly possible it could be of Canadian origin. Both chrome and paint are first class and nearly pristine, which is why I think it may have been refinished. Wouldn’t expect that on a 40 year old bike.
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