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Old 09-25-21, 11:36 AM
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I'm an idiot, part XVII...Peugeot content

Ok...so I am not really a Peugeot fan, but in my youth I had what I think was a 1979-80 PH8 maybe? I DID always dream of having one of the white pearlescent Peugeot Competitions/Super Competitions, which I guess are what are known as the PX10NEr-13XD models? However, my love of Peugeot in my youth ended when I upgraded to a Bianchi Randonneur, which I stupidly sold after I got my Crest Cannondale in 1987. (Sort of a reverse Dave Stoler effect).

While perusing EBay UK awhile back, I saw a cool french version Peugeot that was interesting enough that I sent a "contact seller" note with a bid that, including shipping came out to be about $235 or so. It was badly spray painted a cool green color, but the fork intrigued me. I thought I was following up on a previous offer...

((Edit: Confirmed...different seller; though it seems like the same green color Pug from awhile ago))

Fast forward to this past month when I have been trying to reduce frames after my Bike Giveaway buying spree because 1...I overbought, 2. I have run out of creative ways to create space for more stuff, and have had to resort to a container unit until I clear some of my overstock, 3. I have too many projects going, 4. I need to work on impulse control and make N-1 choices, 5. Have to adjust for a post retirement lifestyle in which I am not having as much cash. I have begun to sell some stuff to offset the buying for the bike giveaway.

And long story shorter...I stuck myself with a Peugeot Competition. Should receive it from England beginning of October, I assume.

It sort of screws up my system though since, other than Italy, my goal was to have one cool bike per bike-producing nation. I just bought the yellow Gitane, had the MBK CycloX thingy to build, so the Peugeot makes three from France... darnit.







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Channeling my inner juvela verktyg T-Mar francophile it is/has
56cm/55cm
26.8 Seatpost (ugh)...not sure why if ISO specs and Reynolds 531 tubes?
Reynolds 531 C (I think)
Prugnat lugs?
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By the way, would love to know more about the bike...

The stuff from above was from the advertisement on EBay...I was kidding...I know NOTHING about Peugeots.
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
By the way, would love to know more about the bike...

The stuff from above was from the advertisement on EBay...I was kidding...I know NOTHING about Peugeots.
Greetiings from the antipodes !
I saw that on Ebay . Looks to be a nice frame under the green paint .
Hopefully the measles under the paint is not too bad.
My guess is mid to late 1980s PX10 ?
In saying that I have two 531c frames very similar but have 26.4 seat post.
Yours is 26.8 mm ?
Possibility of being Vitus 980 frame with Reynolds fork .

Whatever it is will be a fun ride .
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Originally Posted by 1simplexnut
Greetiings from the antipodes !
I saw that on Ebay . Looks to be a nice frame under the green paint .
Hopefully the measles under the paint is not too bad.
My guess is mid to late 1980s PX10 ?
In saying that I have two 531c frames very similar but have 26.4 seat post.
Yours is 26.8 mm ?
Possibility of being Vitus 980 frame with Reynolds fork .

Whatever it is will be a fun ride .
ugh...hope not. The 531 was the selling point...
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Virus 980 would be great.
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Originally Posted by 52telecaster
Virus 980 would be great.
I don’t want a Virus!!!! Just kidding. Is Vitus 980 good? <<Apparently that has been discussed ad nauseum...>> ((EDITED))

Honestly, I was hoping for 531 version of the Peugeot, but still trying to figure out the year. Peugeot catalogs area difficult to discern details like the pantographed lion, the Simplex drops, the external seatpost bolt collar, recessed bolt brake bridge/fork crown, pump nub, etc...
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That’s a cool bike. You are not an idiot. I opened the thread hoping to read of an escapade worse than the time I installed a crank on a bike backwards. Now that’s idiocy.
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
I don’t want a Virus!!!!

Just kidding. Is Vitus 980 good?
Its not bad at all .
Some like the ride of the Vitus better than the 531c .
I have both and like both .
I am sure some of the other francophiles will wade in with their opinions shortly :-)

Once you get the frame and strip it you will more than likely find answers to what the frame material is .

Either way it is a pretty frame and deserves some love .
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs
That’s a cool bike. You are not an idiot. I opened the thread hoping to read of an escapade worse than the time I installed a crank on a bike backwards. Now that’s idiocy.
Thanks...it sort of added to the frame overload. And I really want to know what it is for sure.

I DO like it, but hopefully it is gloppy paint which I suspect, rather than rustules which I fear.

If not rust, I might see if I can polish that color to a shine by getting the high spots. If not, this might be the one time I get it media blasted clean.
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Yep, I'll agree with the others, cool bike!

I had some kind of Peugeot for the two years I lived in Germany. Rode that thing all over the place and am always looking for another like it to buy for no good reason either. Keep us updated on this.
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Vitus 980 what ?

Originally Posted by jdawginsc
Possibility of being Vitus 980 frame with Reynolds fork ugh...hope not. The 531 was the selling point...
SUPER VITUS 980 ? WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT !!!

My 2 all time favorite riding and handling Goldilocks bikes are both made with Super Vitus tubing: my 1984 Gitane Super Corsa with Super Vitus 983 and my 1988 Peugeot Biarritz with Super Vitus 980.

88' Biarritz




Getting back to jdawginsc's frame, as already assumed, the green is a respray plus the Reynolds 531c sticker is a later style.

PX-10, PY-10, PZ-10 etc. ??? Peugeot used so many model designations during the 1980's that only a few aficionados can keep track plus they had different versions of the various models they sold in different markets.

By the late 80's they were phasing out letter/number model name like PX-10 and giving them distinct names like Biarritz, Chorus and so on. In some markets they continued using the old model designation plus the added the new model names. Clear as mud eh?

Since the frame came from the UK I'm suspecting that it's maybe a 1987 UK model Isoard PX10, here's why:

In 1984 Peugeot started using chrome plated full sloping crown forks with their logo cast in on their top models like on jdawginsc's frame but... that year they were using silly a** internal expanding seatposts - no ears on the seat lugs to clamp a standard seatpost. They continued using that design on some models in the UK until 1987...

In the late 80's Peugeot produced some all Campy models made with Reynolds 531P Professionnel tubing which had the same wall thickness dimensions as Reynolds 753R tubing. Both of those tube sets came out in 1983.

1987 All Campy Isoard PX-10


Reynolds 531P


This chart was published by Raleigh's SBDU Team bike facility showing the seatpost sizes for various Reynolds tubing. As I mentioned above, 531P had the same dimensions as 753R (heavier gauge - lighter gauge was 753T for track frames)

The seatpost size for metric 753R and 531P is 26.8mm


All of the top end Peugeots from the late 80's used the same frame geometry. The 6 that I have or had were perfectly aligned from the factory. (more than I can say for some sacred, holy Italianate marques)

1988 US market model frame specs


So, you have a mystery bâtard - ever heard of the term "French Letters"? It should be a superb riding and handling bike.



...and, BTW, my 1988 Biarritz SV 980 bikes are smoother riding than their big sister 1988 and 1989 Chorus models made of Reynolds 753R



2 websites with Peugeot catalogs:

https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/

Cycles Rétro-Peugeot

... and finally, les spécifications sont sujettes à modification sans préavis

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Peugeot had great looking bicycles as their decal sets were always great.
Your Peugeot looks great without the typical Peugeot type decals of the sixties & seventies with that Philadelphia Eagles Green & Silver color scheme.
The GREEN and SILVER colors look very classy and distinguished, even with the current amateur repaint of the Green having a few flaws.

It will be a fantastic bicycle when you do put it together. You basically have a clean slate with the equipment that you ultimately choose for it.
Most everything has previously been figured out by other Peugeot fans, so you are not flying blind today on what adapts and the answers on what/where/why & how because there are plenty of threads, blogs, and other web discussions on Peugeot resto-modernizations available today.

I like that GREEN color. You should definitely consider keeping a close matching Green color if you do repaint the frame.
You'll certainly have some of the coolest stories to tell when you do finish building the bike, as it came from the U.K., and the other yet unwritten tales of how you did this and got that, and matched it with that, and so on...
The amount of FUN that you will have with this project will be priceless! Sometimes, a little outta the ordinary, is a good motivating start to a really cool, memorable project that you'll really enjoy. You might even enjoy telling folks about how you obtained it and how you built it, as much as you will enjoy riding it. That same level of cool factor is not readily achieveable by just using the VISA or AMEX card to buy the nicest, newest , top of the line , bicycle in your local bike shop's inventory.
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Wowzers...you are GOOD! My apologies for the Vitus slur...

So possibly Reynolds 531 P Isoard version of PX10...1987...that would be cool!

...and most depressingly it had the pearl white...but the graphics I hated!

Originally Posted by verktyg
SUPER VITUS 980 ? WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT !!!

My 2 all time favorite riding and handling Goldilocks bikes are both made with Super Vitus tubing: my 1984 Gitane Super Corsa with Super Vitus 983 and my 1988 Peugeot Biarritz with Super Vitus 980.

88' Biarritz




Getting back to jdawginsc's frame, as already assumed, the green is a respray plus the Reynolds 531c sticker is a later style.

PX-10, PY-10, PZ-10 etc. ??? Peugeot used so many model designations during the 1980's that only a few aficionados can keep track plus they had different versions of the various models they sold in different markets.

By the late 80's they were phasing out letter/number model name like PX-10 and giving them distinct names like Biarritz, Chorus and so on. In some markets they continued using the old model designation plus the added the new model names. Clear as mud eh?

Since the frame came from the UK I'm suspecting that it's maybe a 1987 UK model Isoard PX10, here's why:

In 1984 Peugeot started using chrome plated full sloping crown forks with their logo cast in on their top models like on jdawginsc's frame but... that year they were using silly a** internal expanding seatposts - no ears on the seat lugs to clamp a standard seatpost. They continued using that design on some models in the UK until 1987...

In the late 80's Peugeot produced some all Campy models made with Reynolds 531P Professionnel tubing which had the same wall thickness dimensions as Reynolds 753R tubing. Both of those tube sets came out in 1983.

1987 All Campy Isoard PX-10


Reynolds 531P


This chart was published by Raleigh's SBDU Team bike facility showing the seatpost sizes for various Reynolds tubing. As I mentioned above, 531P had the same dimensions as 753R (heavier gauge - lighter gauge was 753T for track frames)

The seatpost size for metric 753R and 531P is 26.8mm


All of the top end Peugeots from the late 80's used the same frame geometry and the 6 that I have or had are perfectly aligned.

1988 US market model specs


So, you have a mystery bâtard - ever heard of the term "French Letters"?

It should be a superb riding and handling bike.

...and, BTW, my 1988 Biarritz SV 980 bikes are smoother riding than my big sister 1988 and 1989 Chorus models made of Reynolds 753R



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Peugeot 531P Frame

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My apologies for the Vitus slur...
Say 3 Hail Masi's and put $20 in my PayPal account....

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So possibly Reynolds 531 P Isoard version of PX10...1987...that would be cool!
In the UK market in 1988 Peugeot used the same Reynolds 531P frame, equipped it with a Shimano 105 gruppo and called it the Aravis. No more chrome forks. (in the Canadian market, the Aravis was the bottom of the line entry level model that year so model names and numbers were totally inconsistent)




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...and most depressingly it had the pearl white...but the graphics I hated!
I'd be reluctant to sand blast the frame until I removed some of the paint with a chemical paint stripper and checked out the acne vulgarus rusticus to make sure that the tubing in good condition.

Late last year I picked up a mint condition Reynolds 753 bike on eBay. There were some rust worms on the NDS seat stay. On closer exam earlier this year, discovered stage 4 cancer...

They never properly flushed out the chrome plating chemicals. I'm still sick!



As far as the pearlescent white goes, an number of car makers used that color: Toyota, Lexus, Subaru and so on. Since the true pedigree is in question, you could probably use whatever decals you like...

Peugeot and Motobecane used white pearlescent paint from the late 70's onward. The problem at least with Peugeot was the pearlescence was in the clear coat which was thinly applied over a white base coat. Rust staining formed under the clear coat anywhere there were chips or scratches.



I was able to clean a lot of it up a lot of it up with the scratch stick that came on the touch up paint that I used.

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Originally Posted by verktyg
Say 3 Hail Masi's and put $20 in my PayPal account....



In the UK market in 1988 Peugeot used the same Reynolds 531P frame, equipped it with a Shimano 105 gruppo and called it the Aravis. No more chrome forks. (in the Canadian market, the Aravis was the bottom of the line entry level model that year so model names and numbers were totally inconsistent)






I'd be reluctant to sand blast the frame until I removed some of the paint with a chemical paint stripper and checked out the acne vulgarus rusticus to make sure that the tubing in good condition.

Late last year I picked up a mint condition Reynolds 753 bike on eBay. There were some rust worms on the NDS seat stay. On closer exam earlier this year, discovered stage 4 cancer...

They never properly flushed out the chrome plating chemicals. I'm still sick!



As far as the pearlescent white goes, an number of car makers used that color: Toyota, Lexus, Subaru and so on. Since the true pedigree is in question, you could probably use whatever decals you like...

Peugeot and Motobecane used white pearlescent paint from the late 70's onward. The problem at least with Peugeot was the pearlescence was in the clear coat which was thinly applied over a white base coat. Rust staining formed under the clear coat anywhere there were chips or scratches.



I was able to clean a lot of it up a lot of it up with the scratch stick that came on the touch up paint that I used.

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Originally Posted by verktyg
Say 3 Hail Masi's and put $20 in my PayPal account....



In the UK market in 1988 Peugeot used the same Reynolds 531P frame, equipped it with a Shimano 105 gruppo and called it the Aravis. No more chrome forks. (in the Canadian market, the Aravis was the bottom of the line entry level model that year so model names and numbers were totally inconsistent)






I'd be reluctant to sand blast the frame until I removed some of the paint with a chemical paint stripper and checked out the acne vulgarus rusticus to make sure that the tubing in good condition.

Late last year I picked up a mint condition Reynolds 753 bike on eBay. There were some rust worms on the NDS seat stay. On closer exam earlier this year, discovered stage 4 cancer...

They never properly flushed out the chrome plating chemicals. I'm still sick!



As far as the pearlescent white goes, an number of car makers used that color: Toyota, Lexus, Subaru and so on. Since the true pedigree is in question, you could probably use whatever decals you like...

Peugeot and Motobecane used white pearlescent paint from the late 70's onward. The problem at least with Peugeot was the pearlescence was in the clear coat which was thinly applied over a white base coat. Rust staining formed under the clear coat anywhere there were chips or scratches.



I was able to clean a lot of it up a lot of it up with the scratch stick that came on the touch up paint that I used.

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I really loved the look of the Peugeots of the early 80's in Pearl White paint. The paint, although sometimes thin, made the bikes look really classy, especially in the 1982 graphics that still had remnants of their traditional racing checkerboard pattern. I remember my modded up1982 PH10s in Pearl White was mistaken for a top of the line Peugeot many times by other cyclists I met up with. The Pearl White paint just made it look really good.
only problem with the Pearl White paint, was it was really hard to match when doing any touches, as you can never get the metallic flakes in the touch up paint to lie at exactly the same pattern and angle in the paint as the original.
I was actually quite disappointed when I was finally able to save up enough money to get my dreamlike Peugeot back then, a PSV, in 1984, when they phased out their Pearl White finish and replaced it wit the boring, in comparison, metallic black paint and the somewhat arbitrary looking slanted color bands on the top and seat tubes.
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