1972 Raleigh Professional ?
01-24-12, 11:08 AM
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1972 Catalogue etc.
Thanks for that T-Mar. It sure looks like a 1972 Raleigh Int'l without the nice Campy gruppo and the bizarre colour scheme of the 1972 Raleigh Pro track bike. Attached a pic of the Intl' from the 1972 Raleigh catalogue. Weird mix of Shimano Dura-ace and Sun-tour (may not be original); Stronglight cranks are pretty nice though. Wolber hoops that I'll thoroughly clean-up as well. Weinmann 730 brakes. 
A fine winter project!
01-24-12, 11:21 AM
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This is my 1972 Raleigh International. The frame appears almost identical.
01-24-12, 02:02 PM
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Fork crown and rakes varied on the International; the OP's Vagner fork crown being one of the variations.
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Yes. Raleigh used whatever flat Vagner fork crown was in the bin at the time:
https://www.kurtkaminer.com/raleighinternational.html
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https://www.kurtkaminer.com/raleighinternational.html
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Worked in a shop in Indy that sold Raleighs in '73 and '74 and was racing then. We had one raleigh Pro- it was either silver or bluish silver, and I believe I heard then that this was the only color it came in, and sold to consumers- don't know if that was true or just something I just heard at the shop, but I never saw any other color, except later Team Pros. They were also distinguished by the fastback stays. The color was metallic and similar to the International above but a different hue. There was something also about the lugs I think- they were short or they were long- can't recall, but I think they were straight then- no ornate squiggles more indicative of 60's and very early '70's bikes.
Anyway, the Raleigh Team Pro was another matter, and through the 70's, not sold publically- Red in color, and a vibrant red not tri-colored or "orangy"- only the Raleigh sponsored Team Raleighs around the world had them, and it was pretty much that way through the '70's. In America it was first only the Conneticut Racing Club of America- Raleigh CRC of A, who boasted riders John Howard and John Allis, both national champions in the early '70's. Later the Kretchmer Wheat Germ Team out of Iowa had Team Pro's in the mid to late '70's. It was a pretty prestigious thing to have a real "Team Raleigh Pro'.
I was surprised when I started looking at e-bay a couple of years back and saw so many red "Team Raleigh" bicycles, but it appears that the line changed later than my knowledge and they started selling them more to consumers, or marketing another kind of frame by the Team Raleigh name. The Raleigh Pro was just silver or silver blue or possibly both then I believe through the first half of the '70's.
So anyway, it's my own personal belief that the OP and picture are of some earlier version than I knew of in 1973, when a Simplex 93 would have been more likely found in pro racing and not the mark of a second tier model as it was by the dawn of the '70's. It could have been used as a color scheme as late as '72 I guess- it says "professional" right on the frame. The chrome seat and chain stays started disappearing through the '70's. The racing picture looks like it's from the mid to late '60s if it's top level professional, or some lesser club later on- not familiar with the rider. Tom Simpson died climbing the Tourmalet in 1968 was it? riding for Peugeot with Mercx
Anyway, the Raleigh Team Pro was another matter, and through the 70's, not sold publically- Red in color, and a vibrant red not tri-colored or "orangy"- only the Raleigh sponsored Team Raleighs around the world had them, and it was pretty much that way through the '70's. In America it was first only the Conneticut Racing Club of America- Raleigh CRC of A, who boasted riders John Howard and John Allis, both national champions in the early '70's. Later the Kretchmer Wheat Germ Team out of Iowa had Team Pro's in the mid to late '70's. It was a pretty prestigious thing to have a real "Team Raleigh Pro'.
I was surprised when I started looking at e-bay a couple of years back and saw so many red "Team Raleigh" bicycles, but it appears that the line changed later than my knowledge and they started selling them more to consumers, or marketing another kind of frame by the Team Raleigh name. The Raleigh Pro was just silver or silver blue or possibly both then I believe through the first half of the '70's.
So anyway, it's my own personal belief that the OP and picture are of some earlier version than I knew of in 1973, when a Simplex 93 would have been more likely found in pro racing and not the mark of a second tier model as it was by the dawn of the '70's. It could have been used as a color scheme as late as '72 I guess- it says "professional" right on the frame. The chrome seat and chain stays started disappearing through the '70's. The racing picture looks like it's from the mid to late '60s if it's top level professional, or some lesser club later on- not familiar with the rider. Tom Simpson died climbing the Tourmalet in 1968 was it? riding for Peugeot with Mercx
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Oooh! I also recall something else- the shop sponsored a cycling team for a year, and were trying to train some juniors as well as us hack seniors: the Circle City Club of Indianapolis
They had a track bike they let the kids ride, even though we didn't then have avelodrome in the city- I had gotten a Paramount track bike, but the shop had this Raleigh Pro track bike- just like the one pictured in the link above. so I think at least, that the track color was a carry over from the earlier version of the road bike- like the OP picture, but by 1973, it had changed the consumer road bike over to metallic silver/blue.
On my Paramount, circa 1980
premiere event Major Taylor Velodrome
They had a track bike they let the kids ride, even though we didn't then have avelodrome in the city- I had gotten a Paramount track bike, but the shop had this Raleigh Pro track bike- just like the one pictured in the link above. so I think at least, that the track color was a carry over from the earlier version of the road bike- like the OP picture, but by 1973, it had changed the consumer road bike over to metallic silver/blue.
On my Paramount, circa 1980
premiere event Major Taylor Velodrome
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Worked in a shop in Indy that sold Raleighs in '73 and '74 and was racing then. We had one raleigh Pro- it was either silver or bluish silver, and I believe I heard then that this was the only color it came in, and sold to consumers- don't know if that was true or just something I just heard at the shop, but I never saw any other color, except later Team Pros. They were also distinguished by the fastback stays. The color was metallic and similar to the International above but a different hue. There was something also about the lugs I think- they were short or they were long- can't recall, but I think they were straight then- no ornate squiggles more indicative of 60's and very early '70's bikes.
Anyway, the Raleigh Team Pro was another matter, and through the 70's, not sold publically- Red in color, and a vibrant red not tri-colored or "orangy"- only the Raleigh sponsored Team Raleighs around the world had them, and it was pretty much that way through the '70's. In America it was first only the Conneticut Racing Club of America- Raleigh CRC of A, who boasted riders John Howard and John Allis, both national champions in the early '70's. Later the Kretchmer Wheat Germ Team out of Iowa had Team Pro's in the mid to late '70's. It was a pretty prestigious thing to have a real "Team Raleigh Pro'.
I was surprised when I started looking at e-bay a couple of years back and saw so many red "Team Raleigh" bicycles, but it appears that the line changed later than my knowledge and they started selling them more to consumers, or marketing another kind of frame by the Team Raleigh name. The Raleigh Pro was just silver or silver blue or possibly both then I believe through the first half of the '70's.
Anyway, the Raleigh Team Pro was another matter, and through the 70's, not sold publically- Red in color, and a vibrant red not tri-colored or "orangy"- only the Raleigh sponsored Team Raleighs around the world had them, and it was pretty much that way through the '70's. In America it was first only the Conneticut Racing Club of America- Raleigh CRC of A, who boasted riders John Howard and John Allis, both national champions in the early '70's. Later the Kretchmer Wheat Germ Team out of Iowa had Team Pro's in the mid to late '70's. It was a pretty prestigious thing to have a real "Team Raleigh Pro'.
I was surprised when I started looking at e-bay a couple of years back and saw so many red "Team Raleigh" bicycles, but it appears that the line changed later than my knowledge and they started selling them more to consumers, or marketing another kind of frame by the Team Raleigh name. The Raleigh Pro was just silver or silver blue or possibly both then I believe through the first half of the '70's.
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The photo is the UK based pro team. It's definitely from 1972, as this was the only year that Smith raced with Ti-Raleigh. It was posted as proof that the UK pro road squad used that livery and Stronglight cranksets in 1972.
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12 years later!
Just finished a clean up etc on my late brother's Raleigh Professional (?), Serial G155 and 744 on bottom bracket of frame. Left all the patina and looking forward to taking it for a spin outdoors once Spring arrives here in Victoria BC. This bike's history is a mystery, but cool nonetheless.
Shimano Crane RD; Dura-ace FD; replaced bar-end shifters with Shimano downtube; Weinman brakes
Just finished a clean up etc on my late brother's Raleigh Professional (?), Serial G155 and 744 on bottom bracket of frame. Left all the patina and looking forward to taking it for a spin outdoors once Spring arrives here in Victoria BC. This bike's history is a mystery, but cool nonetheless.
Shimano Crane RD; Dura-ace FD; replaced bar-end shifters with Shimano downtube; Weinman brakes
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12 years later!
Just finished a clean up etc on my late brother's Raleigh Professional (?), Serial G155 and 744 on bottom bracket of frame. Left all the patina and looking forward to taking it for a spin outdoors once Spring arrives here in Victoria BC. This bike's history is a mystery, but cool nonetheless
Just finished a clean up etc on my late brother's Raleigh Professional (?), Serial G155 and 744 on bottom bracket of frame. Left all the patina and looking forward to taking it for a spin outdoors once Spring arrives here in Victoria BC. This bike's history is a mystery, but cool nonetheless
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12 years later!
Just finished a clean up etc on my late brother's Raleigh Professional (?), Serial G155 and 744 on bottom bracket of frame. Left all the patina and looking forward to taking it for a spin outdoors once Spring arrives here in Victoria BC. This bike's history is a mystery, but cool nonetheless.
Shimano Crane RD; Dura-ace FD; replaced bar-end shifters with Shimano downtube; Weinman brakes
Just finished a clean up etc on my late brother's Raleigh Professional (?), Serial G155 and 744 on bottom bracket of frame. Left all the patina and looking forward to taking it for a spin outdoors once Spring arrives here in Victoria BC. This bike's history is a mystery, but cool nonetheless.
Shimano Crane RD; Dura-ace FD; replaced bar-end shifters with Shimano downtube; Weinman brakes
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Awesome, all these years later!
Time flies, does it not?
Time flies, does it not?
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