Sad news, Chen Guanming got killed on the road
10-20-17, 03:14 AM
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Sad news, Chen Guanming got killed on the road
https://telefenoticias.com.ar/actualidad/ciclista-chino-que-recorria-el-mundo-murio-atropellado-en-santa-cruz/
10-20-17, 08:01 AM
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Mexico? Panama? Argentina? Brazil?
Where did he die? Santa Cruz is pretty common and I reading spanish isnt my strength.
Where did he die? Santa Cruz is pretty common and I reading spanish isnt my strength.
10-20-17, 08:35 AM
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10-20-17, 08:43 AM
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apparently argentina.
from the article:
"The man was rammed by a truck in Route 3, at the height of kilometer 2294, 42 kilometers south of Puerto Santa Cruz, in the province of the same name......
Chen traveled the world in his vehicle from 2001 and became famous when he arrived at the Olympic Games in Beijing 2008, London 2012, Rio de Janeiro 2016.
After his presence in Argentina, he planned to go to Peru and reach Tokyo, Japan, for the 2020 Olympic Games."
from the article:
"The man was rammed by a truck in Route 3, at the height of kilometer 2294, 42 kilometers south of Puerto Santa Cruz, in the province of the same name......
Chen traveled the world in his vehicle from 2001 and became famous when he arrived at the Olympic Games in Beijing 2008, London 2012, Rio de Janeiro 2016.
After his presence in Argentina, he planned to go to Peru and reach Tokyo, Japan, for the 2020 Olympic Games."
10-21-17, 01:57 AM
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Ruta 3 is the primary road in eastern side of Patagonia part of Argentina. It is a little over 3000 km from Buenos Aires to southern tip at Ushuaia. So this would be ~3/4th of way down.
That area is not very populated, no trees and windy. I'd expect the highway to be two lanes, no shoulder and not much traffic. On similar highways I've found Argentinian drivers to be reasonably courteous and patient but occasional fast speeders...but takes one mistake and article indicates it was night.
10-21-17, 03:39 AM
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this was not a bicycle......it was your standard chinese 3-wheel
delivery pedal-truck with a huge "conestoga" awning covering the rear.
supplies and gear piled up behind the rider, and the rear opening may
have been blocked.
he had no mirrors and no reflectors.
there were a couple small taillights, possibly obscured,
probably not working.
might be staged shot, but you can see in the video at 1:12, riding on highway,
no view to rear, and taking up about one third of the travel lane.
sad, but darwin wins again.
10-24-17, 10:14 PM
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in that case it was only a matter of time.
this was not a bicycle......it was your standard chinese 3-wheel
delivery pedal-truck with a huge "conestoga" awning covering the rear.
supplies and gear piled up behind the rider, and the rear opening may
have been blocked.
he had no mirrors and no reflectors.
there were a couple small taillights, possibly obscured,
probably not working.
might be staged shot, but you can see in the video at 1:12, riding on highway,
no view to rear, and taking up about one third of the travel lane.
sad, but darwin wins again.
this was not a bicycle......it was your standard chinese 3-wheel
delivery pedal-truck with a huge "conestoga" awning covering the rear.
supplies and gear piled up behind the rider, and the rear opening may
have been blocked.
he had no mirrors and no reflectors.
there were a couple small taillights, possibly obscured,
probably not working.
might be staged shot, but you can see in the video at 1:12, riding on highway,
no view to rear, and taking up about one third of the travel lane.
sad, but darwin wins again.
+1
Sorry, but it could have been prevented.............by the "victim".
11-03-17, 06:36 PM
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So, its ok to just over run slow moving vehicles that take up a third of the lane?
I guess every operator of a farm tractor,a nd every Amish person deserves to die.
This is a friggin cycling forum.
Unbelievable the people who want to blame the victim.
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11-03-17, 06:37 PM
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in that case it was only a matter of time.
this was not a bicycle......it was your standard chinese 3-wheel
delivery pedal-truck with a huge "conestoga" awning covering the rear.
supplies and gear piled up behind the rider, and the rear opening may
have been blocked.
he had no mirrors and no reflectors.
there were a couple small taillights, possibly obscured,
probably not working.
might be staged shot, but you can see in the video at 1:12, riding on highway,
no view to rear, and taking up about one third of the travel lane.
sad, but darwin wins again.
this was not a bicycle......it was your standard chinese 3-wheel
delivery pedal-truck with a huge "conestoga" awning covering the rear.
supplies and gear piled up behind the rider, and the rear opening may
have been blocked.
he had no mirrors and no reflectors.
there were a couple small taillights, possibly obscured,
probably not working.
might be staged shot, but you can see in the video at 1:12, riding on highway,
no view to rear, and taking up about one third of the travel lane.
sad, but darwin wins again.
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You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
11-03-17, 08:46 PM
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Wind and human powered vehicles have the right of way on waters.
That means a kayak has the right of way over an oil tanker.
It is an idiot in a kayak that paddles in front of one.
Dead to rights is still dead.
There are local roads that I avoid riding my MTB commuter wearing a reflective vest with 2 Hot Shots on the rear while I ride on the shoulder of the highway. Georgia does provide me with the legal ability to be on those roads, but a legal ability to do something is not a "RIGHT".
"I guess every operator of a farm tractor,a nd every Amish person deserves to die." A quite idiotic assumption of my and saddlesores posts.
That means a kayak has the right of way over an oil tanker.
It is an idiot in a kayak that paddles in front of one.
Dead to rights is still dead.
There are local roads that I avoid riding my MTB commuter wearing a reflective vest with 2 Hot Shots on the rear while I ride on the shoulder of the highway. Georgia does provide me with the legal ability to be on those roads, but a legal ability to do something is not a "RIGHT".
"I guess every operator of a farm tractor,a nd every Amish person deserves to die." A quite idiotic assumption of my and saddlesores posts.
11-03-17, 10:09 PM
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point is, a dude pushing a 400-pound monstrosity
on a highway in the middle of the freaking night
without taking simple precautions shows he cares
not for his own safety.
so not a question of IF he's gonna get creamed, but WHEN.
NOT a "victim," other than of stupidity.
11-04-17, 01:37 PM
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1. Answer to your rhetorical question is of course not.
2. Personally, I look at this type of thing from two perspectives at the same time:
2a. One is from a formal rights and responsibilities perspective. While I don't know the exact Argentinian laws, common sense is going to say person at fault is the one running into the vehicle from behind.
When I am at home, I cycle familiar streets at night and defend rights of others to safely do so. I also follow laws from my state with respect to a front light and rear light/reflector.
2b. The other perspective is from a risk perspective. Even if I have rights - I'm going to do a risk assessment and make choices based on those risks - since I'd rather not end up right but dead/injured.
In my cycling through Argentina so far I haven't actually seen many tractors and definitely haven't seen any Amish.
What I have seen in the unpopulated areas and on the Argentina national highway system is:
- roads are mostly two lanes without shoulder; there is typically enough room for me to meet two cars/trucks abreast, though perhaps 30% of the time a vehicle from behind slows to let the one approaching go first. If I were wider, then it would be a majority of the time.
- a few occasions I've gone off the road because a car/truck coming towards me makes an unsafe pass w/o checking for me. It might be their fault of making an unsafe pass, but I get off the road (and grumble
) under the better safe than right philosophy.- speeds don't seem to be posted much, but my guess is typically in the 80-100 km/h range with a few zooming past at higher rates of speed.
I feel comfortable cycling these Argentinian roads but have only cycled daylight hours and do use a mirror to monitor developing situations ahead+behind.
The original accident happened at 11pm, when it would have been dark. I expect the laws to say it was the truck driver's fault - and I'll support that.
However, from a risk analysis perspective cycling on the roads at night is not a choice I'll make here or on other unfamiliar roads. This mostly comes from perspective that while I may be right, my perception of risks is that it only takes one driver making a nighttime mistake and I will likely bear the brunt of that mistake.
I make a different risk assessment at home on roads that I am familiar with. Speeds are typically slower and roads aren't as narrow. However, most important it is a familiar area.
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No cyclist should die for cycling but someone being an idiot for no good reason does not win any living points from me. If you are riding slow on a freakin' highway with no lights regardless of time of day you are an idiot. If all the world's morons died tomorrow I wouldn't be sad, we would have lowered the population and might actually have peace in the world or get much closer to it!
11-07-17, 02:43 PM
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No thread should be without pictures, when pictures are just a google away....
I assume we all understand that we take risks in order to live the way we want to live. I don't know if he could reasonably have done more to minimize the risk of getting hit; but I wish he had.
I assume we all understand that we take risks in order to live the way we want to live. I don't know if he could reasonably have done more to minimize the risk of getting hit; but I wish he had.
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11-07-17, 03:04 PM
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Just to the left of the truck in this Google Street view is kilometer post 2944. According to the articles, the crash happened 420 meters past this point.
This article tells us he was struck approximately 11pm at night: https://gbtimes.com/chinese-olympic-...-guanming-dies
This article says 11:25pm Wednesday night, that he traveled ~30km/day and had cycled ~200,000 kilometers overall (a different article said >160,000 km but in any case a long long distance): https://www.clarin.com/sociedad/aven...S1lLN2IaZ.html
This article tells us the driver was arrested: https://www.ejinsight.com/20171023-ch...road-accident/
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11-27-17, 09:31 PM
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Pride comes before the fall
I read two of the links. I gather Chen had a neon vest on but no lights or reflectors on his tricycle. From the pictures you can see his yellow reflecting back vest would be hidden by his luggage. Also there is no excuse for him not buying cheap reflectors or tape to put on his tricycle. He seemed to have enough cash and pride to put pics of himself on his tricycle but a lack of common sense or perhaps fatalism to not put reflectors on his tricycle.
To reflect all the Darwin dogma I will quote, "Pride comes before the fall." And after being clipped by a car in univesity at night I alsways have put reflective tape on my bikes... even my race bike... never know when lights die...
Chile drivers and roads are terrible no fear of huge lawsuits that will bankrupt them and enrich lawyers like in the usa... I hated road riding there... that guy was insane or extremeky ignorant to ride a road thete at 11pm with no lights
To reflect all the Darwin dogma I will quote, "Pride comes before the fall." And after being clipped by a car in univesity at night I alsways have put reflective tape on my bikes... even my race bike... never know when lights die...
Chile drivers and roads are terrible no fear of huge lawsuits that will bankrupt them and enrich lawyers like in the usa... I hated road riding there... that guy was insane or extremeky ignorant to ride a road thete at 11pm with no lights
