Is there a work output formula to compare flats vs hills ?
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Today, I rode up a 10% hill that was about .2 miles long.
During this leg burning episode, all I could think was, "I wonder how much flat biking this work is equal to"
Like is 10% for .2 miles the same as riding flat for 1 mile ?
Decline riding is like negative infinity division by zero work.
Is there a conversion factor ?
During this leg burning episode, all I could think was, "I wonder how much flat biking this work is equal to"
Like is 10% for .2 miles the same as riding flat for 1 mile ?
Decline riding is like negative infinity division by zero work.
Is there a conversion factor ?
If you're traveling faster then you have to take into account aerodynamic drag so the conversion factor decreases. But let's say you're going slowly. You climbed a 10% hill of 0.2 miles in length, so let's say your hill was 1000 feet long and 100 feet high. So you'd need to travel about 15,000 feet on the flat, so about 3 miles. Give or take. If you go faster, less.
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Maybe it matters if you think about your water bottle as being half full or half empty.
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I don't think this is just semantics. If I have a climb of 528 feet in one mile followed by a descent of 528 feet over 10 miles, that's a very different level of effort for me than the other way around. I probably won't even notice the 1% grade either climbing or descending.
My long rides are almost always round trips, and I generally want to know which direction is going to have the steepest climbs so I can select a route where I'm not doing most of my tough climbing into the wind. The fact that the average grade for the entire trip will net to zero is a completely useless statistic.
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I don't think this is just semantics. If I have a climb of 528 feet in one mile followed by a descent of 528 feet over 10 miles, that's a very different level of effort for me than the other way around. I probably won't even notice the 1% grade either climbing or descending.
My long rides are almost always round trips, and I generally want to know which direction is going to have the steepest climbs so I can select a route where I'm not doing most of my tough climbing into the wind. The fact that the average grade for the entire trip will net to zero is a completely useless statistic.
My long rides are almost always round trips, and I generally want to know which direction is going to have the steepest climbs so I can select a route where I'm not doing most of my tough climbing into the wind. The fact that the average grade for the entire trip will net to zero is a completely useless statistic.
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Actually, I don’t find my argument for that convincing. There may not be a lot of difference in total.
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I really think that if someone's only riding 5 minutes at a time, they need to get on the bike and ride more and not worry about mathematical formulas to figure out power going up hills vs. flats.