Best Stove/Fuel Combination for South America
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Best Stove/Fuel Combination for South America
I am putting together my South American adventure ride. Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, Peru, Colombia. Looking for advice on which stove/fuel combo to use. Use will be 1 person, 1 meal a day, plus maybe a cup of tea. Availability of liquid fuel or cartridges primary concern.
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I just used a pocket rocket and a large canister (16 oz/500 gram) for the transam. Only went through half of the thing, and used it maybe every other day for warmer areas, twice a day for colder. Just brought water to a boil most of the time. Let my crew use it too. Ended up giving the canister to another group along the California coast as I was finishing up. Could have brought a normal one and just squeaked it out. I would say a large canister could fit almost anybody's needs for 2-3 months worth of riding. There is a video on youtube of a group packing who brought 3 medium canisters with them on the transam and used one. If you really were worried about it, I would supplement it with a trangia or pop-can alcohol stove and use that when conditions were ideal just for boiling water and such.
I will say that if you plan on cooking pasta, we always chose the quick-boil pasta so it doesn't eat 20 minutes of fuel. I ate ramen just as a filler sometimes, and hot cocoa to warm me up and get a few calories in me for the morning.
If you're a coffee person, I recommend a phin filter.
I also found that for hot cocoa, the GSI cup holds heat really really well. The MSR ti bowl fits a pack of ramen perfectly. Both are light and cheap.
May be more suggestions than you want, but may help others too. : )
I think there are a lot of valid options for stoves, and it's highly dependent on how you plan on eating. I like riding to and visiting local spots more, so cooking wasn't a priority. No stove is also possible, but the colder it is, the more I use mine.
I will say that if you plan on cooking pasta, we always chose the quick-boil pasta so it doesn't eat 20 minutes of fuel. I ate ramen just as a filler sometimes, and hot cocoa to warm me up and get a few calories in me for the morning.
If you're a coffee person, I recommend a phin filter.
I also found that for hot cocoa, the GSI cup holds heat really really well. The MSR ti bowl fits a pack of ramen perfectly. Both are light and cheap.
May be more suggestions than you want, but may help others too. : )
I think there are a lot of valid options for stoves, and it's highly dependent on how you plan on eating. I like riding to and visiting local spots more, so cooking wasn't a priority. No stove is also possible, but the colder it is, the more I use mine.
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MSR Whisperlite international at a minimum. Sicne you mention going to Bolivia, I'd really consider spending the extra dollars for an MSR XGK - it burns just about any available fuel (gasoline, kerosene, diesel, alcohol, white gas (can sometimes be bought off of dry cleaners) so you'll be covered wherever you are. Also take or buy some coffee filters - you'll need them for the diesel fuel down there (it can have gunk in it that'll block a stove's fuel lines), and it wouldn't be a bad idea for the kerosene, even the gasoline.
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I havnt been to the Americas so no idea about what fuel is available.
Here in Australia I use and am very happy with my Trangia which is a alochol cookset.
I've recently bought a Primus Omnilite due to its ability to burn liquid fuels as well as being able to use gas canisters.
This has some advantages over the Trangia in that I can use my stove top espresso machine and is faster to boil water. Sometimes I'm a little impatient for my cuppa tea or coffee.
I understand there is also a kit so I can utilise the Omnilite burner with my Trangia.
For short trips I tend to take my MSR Pocket Rocket which is a gas canister stove that is small and lightweight.
If I was looking for a stove to replace the Pocket Rocket now, it would be the Kovea Spider which appears a smaller package, lighter and in use much more stable than the MSR unit.
Here in Australia I use and am very happy with my Trangia which is a alochol cookset.
I've recently bought a Primus Omnilite due to its ability to burn liquid fuels as well as being able to use gas canisters.
This has some advantages over the Trangia in that I can use my stove top espresso machine and is faster to boil water. Sometimes I'm a little impatient for my cuppa tea or coffee.
I understand there is also a kit so I can utilise the Omnilite burner with my Trangia.
For short trips I tend to take my MSR Pocket Rocket which is a gas canister stove that is small and lightweight.
If I was looking for a stove to replace the Pocket Rocket now, it would be the Kovea Spider which appears a smaller package, lighter and in use much more stable than the MSR unit.
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I like the Omnifuel, but I would not recommend it for Diesel Number 2. I have not tried Diesel number 1, but that is closer to kerosene so that should work fine.
If you use a stove with kerosene or similar fuel, it is a good idea to use a priming fuel with a lower flashpoint to warm up the generator, for that I prefer a methanol type fuel. In USA I buy yellow heat (gas line de-icer) for priming fuel.
I have not been to South America, thus I do not know what I would use for a priming fuel down there.
If you use a stove with kerosene or similar fuel, it is a good idea to use a priming fuel with a lower flashpoint to warm up the generator, for that I prefer a methanol type fuel. In USA I buy yellow heat (gas line de-icer) for priming fuel.
I have not been to South America, thus I do not know what I would use for a priming fuel down there.
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MSR Dragon Fly is something you can actually cook with, as it simmers at reduced heat,
where their others are pretty much full-on or off.. they do have a 2nd Kero Jet.
the 2nd needle valve at the burner lets you turn it down.
the burner is like the XGK, but the fuel line is much smaller.. and flexes .. to pack .
if it clogs the cable down the center can be pulled and cleaned ..
Yea trucks, Busses and Boats that Run off Diesel have 2 fuel filters to catch crud in the fuel..
where their others are pretty much full-on or off.. they do have a 2nd Kero Jet.
the 2nd needle valve at the burner lets you turn it down.
the burner is like the XGK, but the fuel line is much smaller.. and flexes .. to pack .
if it clogs the cable down the center can be pulled and cleaned ..
Yea trucks, Busses and Boats that Run off Diesel have 2 fuel filters to catch crud in the fuel..
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If it was just Chile and Arg I'd go with whatever is compatible with the cannisters "DOITE" is pushing.
Have you though about an Alcohol stove? 88%+ non human alcohol is easy to come.
Have you though about an Alcohol stove? 88%+ non human alcohol is easy to come.
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Do you also use a kerosene heater in your house?
North West Natural Gas runs a Pipe thru a Meter to my house.
if not theres LPG a minor jetting change . and buying a Big tank ,
or shuttling round small ones for refills
Or I can start stacking up firewood in the yard and replace the Jotul stove.
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MSR Whisperlite international at a minimum. Sicne you mention going to Bolivia, I'd really consider spending the extra dollars for an MSR XGK - it burns just about any available fuel (gasoline, kerosene, diesel, alcohol, white gas (can sometimes be bought off of dry cleaners) so you'll be covered wherever you are. Also take or buy some coffee filters - you'll need them for the diesel fuel down there (it can have gunk in it that'll block a stove's fuel lines), and it wouldn't be a bad idea for the kerosene, even the gasoline.
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I also suppose the Universal burning isobutane is a plus since you only carry one stove.
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I'm a big fan of MSR since we met a cyclist in Central America who had a pump failure and MSR sent him a replacement by Fedex free. Great company.
We've used the MSR Dragonfly on our tours and have had good luck with it. It simmers beautifully but it is loud and it is not a great idea to cook indoor with it. For our next tour we'll be using a Whisperlite Universal. I love the fact that it can use canisters for quiet hotel room cooking and switch over to petrol for middle-of-nowhere cooking.
We've used the MSR Dragonfly on our tours and have had good luck with it. It simmers beautifully but it is loud and it is not a great idea to cook indoor with it. For our next tour we'll be using a Whisperlite Universal. I love the fact that it can use canisters for quiet hotel room cooking and switch over to petrol for middle-of-nowhere cooking.
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I made a mistake the discontinued Internationale would burn diesel and jet fuel, the current International does not. Also it looks like they removed gasoline from the base (Shaker Jet) model so I can no longer recommend them.
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Update: I sent Cascade Designs the following:
And their response was:
The discontinued WhisperLite Internationale listed diesel as a compatible fuel but the current International and Universal models no longer list it. Has diesel been removed as a compatible fuel?
Diesel still works in these stoves, however we no longer recommend that folks use it. It tends to clog the fuel line pretty quickly, especially if the stove isn’t maintained regularly. We recommend burning diesel in our XGK and Dragonfly models as they have a larger fuel line so it’s not clogged as easily. Let me know if you have any more questions!