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I don't know about other companies but BF not only designs and manufactures their frames in the US but they also craft numerous other things here as well, like the unique headset adjustment tool which is made in a guy's garage a few miles from their shop and provides work for a local US guy. They cut and finished both the aftermarket titanium seat and stem masts I ordered up in Eugene; I don't know where the titanium came from but all the work was done locally. With rare exception, all bikes use non-US components (although you CAN spec out Paul Components on a BF if you can afford them!).
Many people complain about the price of the Brompton (which isn't that high actually) but forget that the frame is fully Made in UK by UK guys providing work to UK people not Chinese people.
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Hope makes groupset and brakes but it mostly for MTB and gravel.
Rondo makes frames in Poland.
Planet X Ti frames come from Poland too.
Moulton makes most thing in Bradford upton Avon (tiny place near Bath)
Rondo makes frames in Poland.
Planet X Ti frames come from Poland too.
Moulton makes most thing in Bradford upton Avon (tiny place near Bath)
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There are many frame manufacturers in Europe on top of those of your list with steel, titanium, aluminum and carbon frames.
But if you need a derailleur made in Europe, the choice is I think only Campagnolo, same for the chain and the shifters (Campagnolo has complete groupset with also brakes, but there is more choice for brake levers and calipers).
There is a lot of choice of complete wheels and wheel parts excepted for the aluminum rims (I do not think that its possible to buy separate aluminum rims made in EU).
There are tires made in EU, example : high end Continental tires.
There is also a choice of stems, handlebars, seatposts, saddles Made in EU.
There are several EU cassette brands but I do not know where the cassettes are actually made.
So, its possible to build a complete bike with all components made in EU but it will be a expensive bike (example : a complete Passoni bike with Campagnolo groupset and Campagnolo wheels equipped with Continental Grand Prix tires).
Moulton is not so far, I think that only the aluminum rims are not made in EU (for a Moulton with a Campagnolo groupset).
But if you need a derailleur made in Europe, the choice is I think only Campagnolo, same for the chain and the shifters (Campagnolo has complete groupset with also brakes, but there is more choice for brake levers and calipers).
There is a lot of choice of complete wheels and wheel parts excepted for the aluminum rims (I do not think that its possible to buy separate aluminum rims made in EU).
There are tires made in EU, example : high end Continental tires.
There is also a choice of stems, handlebars, seatposts, saddles Made in EU.
There are several EU cassette brands but I do not know where the cassettes are actually made.
So, its possible to build a complete bike with all components made in EU but it will be a expensive bike (example : a complete Passoni bike with Campagnolo groupset and Campagnolo wheels equipped with Continental Grand Prix tires).
Moulton is not so far, I think that only the aluminum rims are not made in EU (for a Moulton with a Campagnolo groupset).
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I’m really sorry I opened this can of worms. I think it’s great that Bike Friday designs and builds their own stuff. But in the end I couldn’t rationalize paying two thousand dollars for a bike. I’m a high school teacher trying to survive on a daily basis in a really f’d up situation thanks to the pandemic and this Lotus is affordable and will bring me joy. It also helps some guy scratching out his own living here in the states. So whether he’s designing or just building them I really don’t care.
So carry on with your autopsy of my comment about supporting a small business. I’m leaving the party. Turn the lights out and lock the door when you leave. See ya.
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I’m really sorry I opened this can of worms. I think it’s great that Bike Friday designs and builds their own stuff. But in the end I couldn’t rationalize paying two thousand dollars for a bike. I’m a high school teacher trying to survive on a daily basis in a really f’d up situation thanks to the pandemic and this Lotus is affordable and will bring me joy. It also helps some guy scratching out his own living here in the states. So whether he’s designing or just building them I really don’t care.
So carry on with your autopsy of my comment about supporting a small business. I’m leaving the party. Turn the lights out and lock the door when you leave. See ya.
So carry on with your autopsy of my comment about supporting a small business. I’m leaving the party. Turn the lights out and lock the door when you leave. See ya.
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And for the other Origami than the Lotus, also assembled in the US ?
About the design of the frames of your several bikes, who did it, Origami or the Chinese manufacturer ?
Bike Friday doesn't only manufacture the frame and assemble the bikes, they also design all their bikes themselves. They do not buy frames designed by others.
This is a major difference, anybody is able to assemble bikes but not able to design bikes.
About the design of the frames of your several bikes, who did it, Origami or the Chinese manufacturer ?
Bike Friday doesn't only manufacture the frame and assemble the bikes, they also design all their bikes themselves. They do not buy frames designed by others.
This is a major difference, anybody is able to assemble bikes but not able to design bikes.
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My 1st BF was used and I paid $500, lol. If you are patient you can find what you want.
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By building, I do not mean assembling from parts manufactured in Asia on a frame developed and built in Asia, I mean developing the bike in the US, building the frame and several components in the US and then assembling the bike in the US.
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No, they are made in China. You should probably just start a new thread dedicated to bikes designed, developed, and built in the US since that was not the subject of this thread.
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Great,...another forum member chased away by trolling.
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Wow...
I just came across this thread...wow...just wow. This J!pe guy really showed his colors, a real piece of work.
On a wholly separate issue and for information and clarification only, you may wish to know that due to the great success of the FnHon Gust introduced here in SEAsia around 2017, there have been many other makers and bike brands looking to capitalize on the Gust craze by offering Gust look-a-likes. Upon closer inspection and comparison with the actual FnHon Gust, these bikes have a slightly different geometry (more horizontal top tube, the fork looks completely different, the welds are far from neat, for example) and more importantly their build quality and finish lags significantly behind a true Gust. Also, Gust do not come as complete bikes. Genuine FnHon Gust are available as framesets only. I should know for I've owned two of them.
On a wholly separate issue and for information and clarification only, you may wish to know that due to the great success of the FnHon Gust introduced here in SEAsia around 2017, there have been many other makers and bike brands looking to capitalize on the Gust craze by offering Gust look-a-likes. Upon closer inspection and comparison with the actual FnHon Gust, these bikes have a slightly different geometry (more horizontal top tube, the fork looks completely different, the welds are far from neat, for example) and more importantly their build quality and finish lags significantly behind a true Gust. Also, Gust do not come as complete bikes. Genuine FnHon Gust are available as framesets only. I should know for I've owned two of them.
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Thank you for the info. caveat emptor (buyer beware). Buy the original.
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I just came across this thread...wow...just wow. This J!pe guy really showed his colors, a real piece of work.
On a wholly separate issue and for information and clarification only, you may wish to know that due to the great success of the FnHon Gust introduced here in SEAsia around 2017, there have been many other makers and bike brands looking to capitalize on the Gust craze by offering Gust look-a-likes. Upon closer inspection and comparison with the actual FnHon Gust, these bikes have a slightly different geometry (more horizontal top tube, the fork looks completely different, the welds are far from neat, for example) and more importantly their build quality and finish lags significantly behind a true Gust. Also, Gust do not come as complete bikes. Genuine FnHon Gust are available as framesets only. I should know for I've owned two of them.
On a wholly separate issue and for information and clarification only, you may wish to know that due to the great success of the FnHon Gust introduced here in SEAsia around 2017, there have been many other makers and bike brands looking to capitalize on the Gust craze by offering Gust look-a-likes. Upon closer inspection and comparison with the actual FnHon Gust, these bikes have a slightly different geometry (more horizontal top tube, the fork looks completely different, the welds are far from neat, for example) and more importantly their build quality and finish lags significantly behind a true Gust. Also, Gust do not come as complete bikes. Genuine FnHon Gust are available as framesets only. I should know for I've owned two of them.
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Element Troy
Perhaps the best known and most popular of the Gust imitation bikes here is the Element Troy. At top spec it comes with chromoly frame, 10 speeds, hollowtech crank and Tektro hydraulic brakes and sells for about $320.
Element Troy X10
Element Troy X10
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I just came across this thread...wow...just wow. This J!pe guy really showed his colors, a real piece of work.
On a wholly separate issue and for information and clarification only, you may wish to know that due to the great success of the FnHon Gust introduced here in SEAsia around 2017, there have been many other makers and bike brands looking to capitalize on the Gust craze by offering Gust look-a-likes. Upon closer inspection and comparison with the actual FnHon Gust, these bikes have a slightly different geometry (more horizontal top tube, the fork looks completely different, the welds are far from neat, for example) and more importantly their build quality and finish lags significantly behind a true Gust. Also, Gust do not come as complete bikes. Genuine FnHon Gust are available as framesets only. I should know for I've owned two of them.
On a wholly separate issue and for information and clarification only, you may wish to know that due to the great success of the FnHon Gust introduced here in SEAsia around 2017, there have been many other makers and bike brands looking to capitalize on the Gust craze by offering Gust look-a-likes. Upon closer inspection and comparison with the actual FnHon Gust, these bikes have a slightly different geometry (more horizontal top tube, the fork looks completely different, the welds are far from neat, for example) and more importantly their build quality and finish lags significantly behind a true Gust. Also, Gust do not come as complete bikes. Genuine FnHon Gust are available as framesets only. I should know for I've owned two of them.
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Usually cromoly frames use the increased strength to use thinner-walled tubes though, so you can't say for certain that it is heavier.
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Usually cromoly is heavier, even if thinner tubing is used, and definitely stronger. I'll gladly deal with a slightly heavier frame for better strength. Origami did some nice work on the Lotus for the heavier North American market.
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All steel weighs the same per unit of volume. The point of going with higher tensile steel is to reduce the weight of the frame by using less steel to achieve the same strength.