Rules against dangerous racing
04-07-13, 07:29 PM
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Rules against dangerous racing
What's the USAC rule about dangerous racing? I think it's the same one they use to stop people from raising their arms across the finish line.
The reason I'm asking is that there is a dangerous racer in the area that has crashed others out of races more than once. He is a hazard on the course, and nobody will let him on their team or even on their group rides because he's too dangerous and 'knows everything'. Any time he's confronted he tells everyone to F off.
How do you guys handle people like this? Aside from frontier justice...
The reason I'm asking is that there is a dangerous racer in the area that has crashed others out of races more than once. He is a hazard on the course, and nobody will let him on their team or even on their group rides because he's too dangerous and 'knows everything'. Any time he's confronted he tells everyone to F off.
How do you guys handle people like this? Aside from frontier justice...
04-07-13, 07:49 PM
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I was expecting that from rkwaki! I haven't raced against him but many of my teammates have. I think he's crashed two of them out, one requiring a new bike along with a trip to the hospital. If I raced against him, I'd have video evidence of his bad riding.
I'm all of 140 pounds and bounce off of people like a ping-pong ball. I can't be much of an enforcer out there unless it's using cheap tactics like sweeping a wheel or something. Not my style.
Apparently what he's doing is diving into corners super early and swinging way wide. Rumor is it may be intentional to take out the field.
I'm all of 140 pounds and bounce off of people like a ping-pong ball. I can't be much of an enforcer out there unless it's using cheap tactics like sweeping a wheel or something. Not my style.
Apparently what he's doing is diving into corners super early and swinging way wide. Rumor is it may be intentional to take out the field.
04-07-13, 07:59 PM
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any these might apply
1N6. Abuse.
(a) No rider or other licensee may be disrespectful toward anyone at a race.
(b) No rider or other licensee may use foul or abusive language or conduct during a race event.
(c) No licensee may assault (an unlawful attempt, coupled with the present ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another) or do battery (any willful and unlawful use of force or violence upon the person of another) to anyone connected with any event held under a USA Cycling permit.
(d) )Violent assault and/or battery as described in 1N6(c) committed by a licensee against a race official at a USA Cycling permitted event shall be subject to additional penalties.
1N7. No rider may make an abrupt motion so as to interfere with the forward progress of another rider, either intentionally or by accident.
1N8. Dangerous Rider. Any rider who appears to present a danger to the other competitors may be disqualified by the Chief Referee, either before, during, or after a race.
(a) No rider or other licensee may be disrespectful toward anyone at a race.
(b) No rider or other licensee may use foul or abusive language or conduct during a race event.
(c) No licensee may assault (an unlawful attempt, coupled with the present ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another) or do battery (any willful and unlawful use of force or violence upon the person of another) to anyone connected with any event held under a USA Cycling permit.
(d) )Violent assault and/or battery as described in 1N6(c) committed by a licensee against a race official at a USA Cycling permitted event shall be subject to additional penalties.
1N7. No rider may make an abrupt motion so as to interfere with the forward progress of another rider, either intentionally or by accident.
1N8. Dangerous Rider. Any rider who appears to present a danger to the other competitors may be disqualified by the Chief Referee, either before, during, or after a race.
04-07-13, 09:24 PM
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I hope he isn’t Cat 4 racing the State Crit Race coming up. Uh, but if so, what does he look like?
04-07-13, 09:54 PM
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I haven't met him. He's been racing as a 4, not sure if he'll be upgrading any time soon. He's mouthed off to several of my teammates who have talked to him, along with a lot of other people.
04-07-13, 10:42 PM
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Keep in mind, the officials will want to hear from more than just one person. And if you're lucky, you'll get the same official at several races in a row who will be hearing the same complaints. Adds up.
In the meantime, watch how he rides. You apparently have already noticed how he's being dangerous. Now, do what you can to avoid that situation. We have a cat 1/2 guy out here: same reputation. We've learned, though: never cross your wheel with "Johnny" 'cause he doesn't notice others around him when he changes lines.
In the meantime, watch how he rides. You apparently have already noticed how he's being dangerous. Now, do what you can to avoid that situation. We have a cat 1/2 guy out here: same reputation. We've learned, though: never cross your wheel with "Johnny" 'cause he doesn't notice others around him when he changes lines.
04-08-13, 05:33 AM
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video. without that it's hard for officials to punish. I learned that the hard way after such a rider crashed me hard, first ever broken bone in my life, end of my 26th season of racing. he got off scott free.
it's why I race with a helmet cam every race.
ah Junior just slipped out of my arms so I can type with both hands now.
Anyway you need photo/video proof. The rider in question took out most of the field in a training race (he was basically 3rd wheel when he swept across the road) and he and his teammates, including the one 50 meters behind the field, all swore he had to avoid the guy braking hard in front of him (Cat 1 leading the field who absolutely did not brake).
The worst part is I had my helmet cam rig at the race but decided not to use it. I'd been struggling there the whole season so I didn't want to use my camcorder-AV-AdapterCables-helmetcam-8AA-battery heavy inconvenient 80 min max recording time rig. The rider in question asked if I'd be using the helmet cam. I replied to the negative.
For my out of pocket costs, not working for 2 months, misc medical supplies, etc, I could have bought everyone in the field a ContourHD.
it's why I race with a helmet cam every race.
ah Junior just slipped out of my arms so I can type with both hands now.
Anyway you need photo/video proof. The rider in question took out most of the field in a training race (he was basically 3rd wheel when he swept across the road) and he and his teammates, including the one 50 meters behind the field, all swore he had to avoid the guy braking hard in front of him (Cat 1 leading the field who absolutely did not brake).
The worst part is I had my helmet cam rig at the race but decided not to use it. I'd been struggling there the whole season so I didn't want to use my camcorder-AV-AdapterCables-helmetcam-8AA-battery heavy inconvenient 80 min max recording time rig. The rider in question asked if I'd be using the helmet cam. I replied to the negative.
For my out of pocket costs, not working for 2 months, misc medical supplies, etc, I could have bought everyone in the field a ContourHD.
04-08-13, 08:10 AM
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What's the USAC rule about dangerous racing? I think it's the same one they use to stop people from raising their arms across the finish line.
The reason I'm asking is that there is a dangerous racer in the area that has crashed others out of races more than once. He is a hazard on the course, and nobody will let him on their team or even on their group rides because he's too dangerous and 'knows everything'. Any time he's confronted he tells everyone to F off.
How do you guys handle people like this? Aside from frontier justice...
The reason I'm asking is that there is a dangerous racer in the area that has crashed others out of races more than once. He is a hazard on the course, and nobody will let him on their team or even on their group rides because he's too dangerous and 'knows everything'. Any time he's confronted he tells everyone to F off.
How do you guys handle people like this? Aside from frontier justice...
04-08-13, 08:46 AM
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Thanks all for the responses. Apparently the regional director has been informed of him previously and he's about to get some more e-mails. I wasn't in the race so I have no video. I'm hoping I never race the guy but if I do, the video camera will be on.
04-08-13, 09:26 AM
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Well I see I summoned to appear here.
You could fly me out to Sedona for a little vacation and I could join you on a group ride...
Problem is guys like that are always going to be guys like that if that makes any sense. We have one here that is a total d-bag and has caused plenty of wrecks. I have personally spoken to him and told him to relax but he knows everything and you can't tell him a damn thing. Sometimes a wreck will straighten them out, sometimes it won't.
Being confrontational if you aren't a heavyweight won't do you much good. Often what it takes is a respected, accomplished rider pulling him aside on a group ride and having a heart to heart. I have done this many times and it usually works only in one case has it not.
You could fly me out to Sedona for a little vacation and I could join you on a group ride...
Problem is guys like that are always going to be guys like that if that makes any sense. We have one here that is a total d-bag and has caused plenty of wrecks. I have personally spoken to him and told him to relax but he knows everything and you can't tell him a damn thing. Sometimes a wreck will straighten them out, sometimes it won't.
Being confrontational if you aren't a heavyweight won't do you much good. Often what it takes is a respected, accomplished rider pulling him aside on a group ride and having a heart to heart. I have done this many times and it usually works only in one case has it not.
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Learn to use your shoulders.
Have others assist in calling him out, when his actions are sketchy.
Not after the race, but as it happens.
Otherwise it's already forgotten.
Have others assist in calling him out, when his actions are sketchy.
Not after the race, but as it happens.
Otherwise it's already forgotten.
04-24-13, 08:01 AM
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What about guys who just don't listen? At one point Saturday the guy 2 to the left of me forced his way through a non gap, forced his teammate between the two of us to swerve about three feet, I had to follow his teammate. I said something to the effect of there wasn't space for you to do that (probably loudly, I wasn't happy). Dude just didn't get it, I kinda lost my temper and did some yelling, gave up and just tried to stay in front of him.
Side note, the dude was really strong. Terrible bike racer, but strong. If he figured it out he'd win races.
Side note, the dude was really strong. Terrible bike racer, but strong. If he figured it out he'd win races.
04-24-13, 02:37 PM
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I dunno. I think frontier justice is the way to go.
I remember one race someone on a prominent team got annoyed that I was setting tempo and not pulling off the front while I had a team mate off the front. After yelling "Get off the front!" he rode up the side and swerved over as he passed me by, narrowly missing my front wheel. If I had gone down a lot of riders would've gone down behind me. I probably would've gotten violent.
I remember one race someone on a prominent team got annoyed that I was setting tempo and not pulling off the front while I had a team mate off the front. After yelling "Get off the front!" he rode up the side and swerved over as he passed me by, narrowly missing my front wheel. If I had gone down a lot of riders would've gone down behind me. I probably would've gotten violent.
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