74 Paramount P15 with later paint job.
10-25-23, 04:04 PM
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74 Paramount P15 with later paint job.
I haven't been on in a while but I had to tell someone about this.
The crank is very cool and probably collectable but man 36-46-54 ain't my jam. I will say the bike is light and very responsive for a touringish frameset. 700x35 and will accommodate fenders. Of course it came with 27s. Anyway 450$ I just had to spend.
The crank is very cool and probably collectable but man 36-46-54 ain't my jam. I will say the bike is light and very responsive for a touringish frameset. 700x35 and will accommodate fenders. Of course it came with 27s. Anyway 450$ I just had to spend.
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Fantastic, great score. 
Looks like a big low gear on the FW so maybe you can make it work for some riding.
Bob Freeman may still be able to get 30-31 rings for this.
Looks like a big low gear on the FW so maybe you can make it work for some riding.
Bob Freeman may still be able to get 30-31 rings for this.
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I imagine you could trade the crankset for a double. If you need the lower gear, reach out to jonwvara about his 144bcd triplizer. It accepts 74bcd chainrings.
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That is impressive! It looks to be in excellent condition too!
Was this a CL find? Local? Just curious as to whether I might know the previous owner.
I have no need for another bike, but I am a bit jealous of the excitement of such a nice new acquisition.
Steve in Peoria
Was this a CL find? Local? Just curious as to whether I might know the previous owner.
I have no need for another bike, but I am a bit jealous of the excitement of such a nice new acquisition.
Steve in Peoria
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It was on Facebook marketplace and it kept going down in price. I didn't want it but when he got to 550 I decided to offer 450 as a lark. Jokes on me, he took it! The brakes are weinman Carrera. Front mech campy, rear mech is the huret eco super duper range job.
I've got other campy cranks but if I change it I'd probably go to a cyclotourist type setup. Although a 30 or 31 tooth ring might change that.
I've got other campy cranks but if I change it I'd probably go to a cyclotourist type setup. Although a 30 or 31 tooth ring might change that.
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It looks like the rear brake has a drop bolt and still the pads are all the way down. My 1974 P10 also had Carrera side pulls with a drop bolt in back; the pads barely reached the 27” rims, so I put 750 center pulls back on. Are those 700c wheels on yours?
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It is my understanding that P-15's were considered "touring " frames and thus their geometry was a bit different that others in the line. As pointed out, most P-15's came from the factory set up to ride with 27" inch wheels/rims, but could be special ordered with with optional 700's.....I suspect that the OP's is riding on the 700's which would explain the pad locations.In any event it is a very nice looking repaint with the "upgrade" decals.
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Thank you for sharing, very nice find.
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Peril to sellers who need the money NOW.
Smart purchase.
Smart purchase.
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Nice score, Russell!
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Yes, 700c. The bike came with 27s, I put the drop pads on to use the same brakes with 700c.
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10-27-23, 02:38 AM
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If you are a brave soul you can drill that crank so you can install 74BCD rings... Campy did make a triple (basically what I just said but factory).
My '71 Paramount has a factory triple. It is a fantastic credit card tourer. It gets sluggish as hell if you try to overload it.
My '71 Paramount has a factory triple. It is a fantastic credit card tourer. It gets sluggish as hell if you try to overload it.
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If you are a brave soul you can drill that crank so you can install 74BCD rings... Campy did make a triple (basically what I just said but factory).
My '71 Paramount has a factory triple. It is a fantastic credit card tourer. It gets sluggish as hell if you try to overload it.
My '71 Paramount has a factory triple. It is a fantastic credit card tourer. It gets sluggish as hell if you try to overload it.
10-27-23, 11:35 AM
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A heavy loaded touring bike adds stiffness where it needs it most so when the bike has 300 pounds of combined rider+gear it is not flexing. When a bike is not as stiff I would call them sports tourers. My Trek 720 feels better loaded than not. My Paramount feels better unloaded or lightly loaded. For fast credit card touring it was an awesome bike to take on the road.
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On my previous job I was blessed with the ability to bike commute just about every day, which let me rotate through my stable of bikes. In addition I still took turn restocking the office snack bar. Putting two cases of soft drinks plus other stuff on the Trek 720 actually made it ride better. Attempting to do the same on the Paramount made it ride like crap no matter how it got distributed. It could do one case without complaining much.
A heavy loaded touring bike adds stiffness where it needs it most so when the bike has 300 pounds of combined rider+gear it is not flexing. When a bike is not as stiff I would call them sports tourers. My Trek 720 feels better loaded than not. My Paramount feels better unloaded or lightly loaded. For fast credit card touring it was an awesome bike to take on the road.
A heavy loaded touring bike adds stiffness where it needs it most so when the bike has 300 pounds of combined rider+gear it is not flexing. When a bike is not as stiff I would call them sports tourers. My Trek 720 feels better loaded than not. My Paramount feels better unloaded or lightly loaded. For fast credit card touring it was an awesome bike to take on the road.
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If you are a brave soul you can drill that crank so you can install 74BCD rings... Campy did make a triple (basically what I just said but factory).
My '71 Paramount has a factory triple. It is a fantastic credit card tourer. It gets sluggish as hell if you try to overload it.
My '71 Paramount has a factory triple. It is a fantastic credit card tourer. It gets sluggish as hell if you try to overload it.
Yes, Campy did make a triple version of the NR crank in the 1970s, but it was not for 74mm BCD inner chainrings (which can go down to 24 teeth). The inner-most ring on a Campy triple went no smaller than 36 teeth; I don't know what the BCD was but, as near as I can tell, nobody else in the galaxy used the same BCD. (If I'm wrong about that, someone will be along shortly to correct me.) These Campy triple cranks are not quite as rare as hen's teeth, but they are not very common, either. Campy triples still with the 36 tooth inner ring (like the OP's) are approaching hen's teeth territory and from I have read on this forum, the screws/bolts/whatevers that hold on the 36 tooth ring are, in fact, as rare as hen's teeth and perhaps as rare as unicorn poop.
If you want the classic late 1960s/1970s Campy crank in a triple, get a triplizer from Red Clover Components. It's run by a C&V regular and I can tell you from personal experience he will treat you right. He makes triplizers for 144mm BCD Campy (which probably works on copy cats like Sugino and Zeus, too, but ask him) and for Stronglight 93s (122mm BCD?). I've used both, and they look and work great. Not cheap, but not stupid spendy, and definitely worth every penny.
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Slight clarification for any old-school Campy triple crankset virgins who may stumble upon this.
Yes, Campy did make a triple version of the NR crank in the 1970s, but it was not for 74mm BCD inner chainrings (which can go down to 24 teeth). The inner-most ring on a Campy triple went no smaller than 36 teeth; I don't know what the BCD was but, as near as I can tell, nobody else in the galaxy used the same BCD. (If I'm wrong about that, someone will be along shortly to correct me.) These Campy triple cranks are not quite as rare as hen's teeth, but they are not very common, either. Campy triples still with the 36 tooth inner ring (like the OP's) are approaching hen's teeth territory and from I have read on this forum, the screws/bolts/whatevers that hold on the 36 tooth ring are, in fact, as rare as hen's teeth and perhaps as rare as unicorn poop.
If you want the classic late 1960s/1970s Campy crank in a triple, get a triplizer from Red Clover Components. It's run by a C&V regular and I can tell you from personal experience he will treat you right. He makes triplizers for 144mm BCD Campy (which probably works on copy cats like Sugino and Zeus, too, but ask him) and for Stronglight 93s (122mm BCD?). I've used both, and they look and work great. Not cheap, but not stupid spendy, and definitely worth every penny.
Yes, Campy did make a triple version of the NR crank in the 1970s, but it was not for 74mm BCD inner chainrings (which can go down to 24 teeth). The inner-most ring on a Campy triple went no smaller than 36 teeth; I don't know what the BCD was but, as near as I can tell, nobody else in the galaxy used the same BCD. (If I'm wrong about that, someone will be along shortly to correct me.) These Campy triple cranks are not quite as rare as hen's teeth, but they are not very common, either. Campy triples still with the 36 tooth inner ring (like the OP's) are approaching hen's teeth territory and from I have read on this forum, the screws/bolts/whatevers that hold on the 36 tooth ring are, in fact, as rare as hen's teeth and perhaps as rare as unicorn poop.
If you want the classic late 1960s/1970s Campy crank in a triple, get a triplizer from Red Clover Components. It's run by a C&V regular and I can tell you from personal experience he will treat you right. He makes triplizers for 144mm BCD Campy (which probably works on copy cats like Sugino and Zeus, too, but ask him) and for Stronglight 93s (122mm BCD?). I've used both, and they look and work great. Not cheap, but not stupid spendy, and definitely worth every penny.
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Were you balancing your load? On average a bike carries 60% of the weight on the rear wheel. Overloading the butt without counterbalancing the front is an invitation for any bike to get squishy. When I was trucking 2 cases of soda plus boxes of candy I would put a case of soda up front, the other case and candy on the back. That was about 60 pounds and the bike was happy. Without one case on the front things would have not felt right.
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I haven't been on in a while but I had to tell someone about this.
The crank is very cool and probably collectable but man 36-46-54 ain't my jam. I will say the bike is light and very responsive for a touringish frameset. 700x35 and will accommodate fenders. Of course it came with 27s. Anyway 450$ I just had to spend.
The crank is very cool and probably collectable but man 36-46-54 ain't my jam. I will say the bike is light and very responsive for a touringish frameset. 700x35 and will accommodate fenders. Of course it came with 27s. Anyway 450$ I just had to spend.
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Were you balancing your load? On average a bike carries 60% of the weight on the rear wheel. Overloading the butt without counterbalancing the front is an invitation for any bike to get squishy. When I was trucking 2 cases of soda plus boxes of candy I would put a case of soda up front, the other case and candy on the back. That was about 60 pounds and the bike was happy. Without one case on the front things would have not felt right.
Austro Daimler full 531 frameset.
Motobecane frame and forks of Reynolds 531. Very fun touring machine until I sold it.
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I can't imagine any scenario where I would haul 2 cases of anything on the bike, maybe on a trailer for a gig of some sort but that ain't touring, just somewhat silly and dangerous IMO. 
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And don't get me wrong, we all have our "thing", I drag raced motorcycles for 35 years, crashed 3 times and still kept on doing it so.........
Hauled a lot of ass but not 2+ cases of anything.
Hauled a lot of ass but not 2+ cases of anything.