A Cinelli ?? It cant be, right?
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It looks like a Cinelli to me. The seat lug is distinctive.
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I'm no expert but it seems like it to me.
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To my somewhat experienced eye , yes . I use my “somewhat “ loosely, I have a friend who has a couple and I have looked closely at his . They are very simliar to the Windsor Pro so there are fakes out there. This one looks real to me. Others with far more knowledge on the subject bike will be along to help. It would be worth looking at if you are interested , these are very fine bicycles and , if reasonably priced , would be a find.
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Go get it.
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it is an early one, pre-68 without holes in the head lugs.
Likely repainted but still
/markp
Likely repainted but still
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Playing the part of a repainted model B.
really could benefit with some close ups of the bottom bracket, chainstay bridge, seatstay bridge underside and a telephoto image from the side to comprehend geometry.
really could benefit with some close ups of the bottom bracket, chainstay bridge, seatstay bridge underside and a telephoto image from the side to comprehend geometry.
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Might be ...
Could be ...
It is?
If I might paraphrase Harry Carey.
Could be ...
It is?
If I might paraphrase Harry Carey.
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People who know have said it’s likely a Cinelli. If it were me, I’d stop reading this forum and go buy it. And then tell us how much you paid when you get it home.
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...based on my total sample size of two, the frame looks like a mid 80's SC, but both the headbadge and the fork are wrong for that. It looks repainted, for sure. Maybe the person selling it can tell you more about it.
...based on my total sample size of two, the frame looks like a mid 80's SC, but both the headbadge and the fork are wrong for that. It looks repainted, for sure. Maybe the person selling it can tell you more about it.
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looks an early eno' model B that shell may be a seventy-four
braze-ons a bit sad, o'course they can be easily excised
iirc sixty-seven was final year for brass headplate...
...those cheeseheads certainly are not oem!
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looks an early eno' model B that shell may be a seventy-four
braze-ons a bit sad, o'course they can be easily excised
iirc sixty-seven was final year for brass headplate...
...those cheeseheads certainly are not oem!
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Nice find, looks real Cinelli to me. Serial number? Yes, I know that is not conclusive, it would just be interesting to see?
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Could it have had 27" wheels originally based on brake bridge clearances?
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Yep with that fork (if original) it may be a model B, but you'd need to do some more in-person investigation AS you are negotiating the price!
unless you're already too late...
unless you're already too late...
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when one gets back far eno' they came with factory fitted mudguards for winter training rides
given date could well have been designed for Universal model Extra Nr. 51 brakes, the rear caliper of which has a 64mm centre and a 72mm max
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No word from the OP . I hope this means he is on his way to picking it up. I can’t be the only one who is envious, I don’t think I would’ve stopped long enough to post about it if it were in my wheelhouse price and size wise. I am no expert but I know enough to be able to tell if it is a Cinelli once I saw it in person. I certainly would post after acquisition, just to show off!
10-14-23, 04:14 PM
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Hmmmmm, it's definitely not the original paint
That means it could be a repainted Cinelli
But it could be a repainted Windsor too
Kind of risky in my mind
What's the asking price?
That means it could be a repainted Cinelli
But it could be a repainted Windsor too
Kind of risky in my mind
What's the asking price?
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few Windsor Professionals constructed with unrelieved lugs
few Windsor Professionals constructed with Vagner model DL fork crowns
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few Windsor Professionals constructed with unrelieved lugs
few Windsor Professionals constructed with Vagner model DL fork crowns
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I hope it's because they are busy and not inundated with calls to buy it......It looked like a "C" to me and worthy of a closer look.
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If it's a Cinelli, and if that is the original fork, it is a Model B. I would have cheerfully taken a Model B in my size if I had found one before I lucked into my two SCs. A great score if it pans out.
Close-up photos of the seat lug would be helpful (Windsor Pros were very similar, but not identical). Checking the serial number on the bottom of the BB shell might also help - not so much to establish age (a fool's errand with Cinelli numbers before 1980 or so) but to see if the format is correct. The clincher for me would be the seat post diameter. 26.2mm = Cinelli. Anything else = not Cinelli. 27.2mm = Windsor.
The Cinelli SC, Cinelli Model B and the Windsor Profesional are all good bikes, but a Windsor Pro is not a Cinelli. If you are looking for a good frame and the price is right, any of the three will do just fine. But if you are jonesing for a Cinelli, a Windsor Pro just won't do.
Close-up photos of the seat lug would be helpful (Windsor Pros were very similar, but not identical). Checking the serial number on the bottom of the BB shell might also help - not so much to establish age (a fool's errand with Cinelli numbers before 1980 or so) but to see if the format is correct. The clincher for me would be the seat post diameter. 26.2mm = Cinelli. Anything else = not Cinelli. 27.2mm = Windsor.
The Cinelli SC, Cinelli Model B and the Windsor Profesional are all good bikes, but a Windsor Pro is not a Cinelli. If you are looking for a good frame and the price is right, any of the three will do just fine. But if you are jonesing for a Cinelli, a Windsor Pro just won't do.
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I'm gonna guess it's because he's a gorilla or bear. Note the long stem and slammed seatpost. Pic looks like it could be a feeding area. These animals have a difficult time returning calls. They say we should be tolerant of the poor communication, but I dunno. Won't hurt to check with the local zoo.
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If It Walks Like A Duck, And Weighs Like A Duck...
If it's a Cinelli, and if that is the original fork, it is a Model B. I would have cheerfully taken a Model B in my size if I had found one before I lucked into my two SCs. A great score if it pans out.
Close-up photos of the seat lug would be helpful (Windsor Pros were very similar, but not identical). Checking the serial number on the bottom of the BB shell might also help - not so much to establish age (a fool's errand with Cinelli numbers before 1980 or so) but to see if the format is correct. The clincher for me would be the seat post diameter. 26.2mm = Cinelli. Anything else = not Cinelli. 27.2mm = Windsor.
The Cinelli SC, Cinelli Model B and the Windsor Profesional are all good bikes, but a Windsor Pro is not a Cinelli. If you are looking for a good frame and the price is right, any of the three will do just fine. But if you are jonesing for a Cinelli, a Windsor Pro just won't do.
Close-up photos of the seat lug would be helpful (Windsor Pros were very similar, but not identical). Checking the serial number on the bottom of the BB shell might also help - not so much to establish age (a fool's errand with Cinelli numbers before 1980 or so) but to see if the format is correct. The clincher for me would be the seat post diameter. 26.2mm = Cinelli. Anything else = not Cinelli. 27.2mm = Windsor.
The Cinelli SC, Cinelli Model B and the Windsor Profesional are all good bikes, but a Windsor Pro is not a Cinelli. If you are looking for a good frame and the price is right, any of the three will do just fine. But if you are jonesing for a Cinelli, a Windsor Pro just won't do.
26.8, the correct seat pillar size for the (early) Acer-Mex Windsor and Carabela Profesionals is 26.8.
Because no shim/insert-reinforcement in the top of the seat tube. Using a longer seat post stiffens the seat stay/seat tube/top tube juncture similarly.
The ride quality of early Acer Mex Pros is indistinguishable from cotemporaneous Cinelli Mod Bs, (or SCs for that matter). no surprise as they were built by a guy who built them for 25 years. After they became popular, mid-70s or so, the quality declined and discrepancies presented.
Cinellis changed too, so a mid-80s example sure does not ride the same as one from the mid-60s.
