Some Columbus Frameset
09-11-23, 06:09 AM
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Some Columbus Frameset
got this ‘cinelli’ from my uncle. any ideas?
also, trying to decide between an 8 speed chorus clincher mixed with a record tubular front, or an 8 speed matching set of dura ace tubulars.
planning to try out the original levers, if that makes any difference.
originally ran with 7 cogs on a record hub with a fiamme tubular rim, but that got rebuilt to 120mm for an old gitane after some rim damage.
also, trying to decide between an 8 speed chorus clincher mixed with a record tubular front, or an 8 speed matching set of dura ace tubulars.
planning to try out the original levers, if that makes any difference.
originally ran with 7 cogs on a record hub with a fiamme tubular rim, but that got rebuilt to 120mm for an old gitane after some rim damage.
09-11-23, 06:13 AM
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It's got a Cinelli bottom bracket, but other than that...
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POSibly a Vetta (NOT the co. that made the helmets and accessories, but a frame-builder with same name) they often had the Columbus dove on frame bits, like that forkcrown. EDIT: taking another look I am doubtful of a Vetta connection (made by the Taverna family in Padova), BUT I'm certain MauriceMoss will have some insights!
But the guy who first noted there was even such a marque, and would certainly know if this is one, was none other than the famed MauriceMoss
But the guy who first noted there was even such a marque, and would certainly know if this is one, was none other than the famed MauriceMoss
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09-11-23, 01:18 PM
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seat stay plugs are Cinelli/Columbus Nr. 409
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seat stay plugs are Cinelli/Columbus Nr. 409
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09-11-23, 06:29 PM
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To make explicit what others have hinted at, this is not a Cinelli. In addition to frames, bars, stems, etc., Cinelli made bottom bracket shells that a lot of other builders also used. But the seat stay attachment and the fork crown say in no uncertain terms "not a Cinelli." There is nothing wrong with them, they're just not the way Cinelli did them.
That said, it looks like a pretty nice frame worthy of your attention. As for the wheel set-up, I would go all clincher or all tubular and not ride one of each, which I think unduly complicates your life. For me, I'd go with clinchers because I am nowhere near a fast or dedicated enough of a rider to make the extra care and feeding tubulars require worth it. As for how many speeds, the determining factor is how wide the rear triangle is spread. In its original 7-speed configuration, it almost certainly was 126mm. 130mm is optimum for 8-speed. So measure the distance between the interiors of the rear dropouts (with the wheel out) and let that be your guide.
I hope you can get that machine in a condition that excites you about riding. It looks quite capable of that.
That said, it looks like a pretty nice frame worthy of your attention. As for the wheel set-up, I would go all clincher or all tubular and not ride one of each, which I think unduly complicates your life. For me, I'd go with clinchers because I am nowhere near a fast or dedicated enough of a rider to make the extra care and feeding tubulars require worth it. As for how many speeds, the determining factor is how wide the rear triangle is spread. In its original 7-speed configuration, it almost certainly was 126mm. 130mm is optimum for 8-speed. So measure the distance between the interiors of the rear dropouts (with the wheel out) and let that be your guide.
I hope you can get that machine in a condition that excites you about riding. It looks quite capable of that.
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Unfortunately, the bits used to construct the frame were widely available so it'll be hard to figure out who might have built it.
I wouldn't even assume that this is an Italian made frame - what's the bottom bracket threading?
For an Italian contract frame I would expect to see the frame size stamped somewhere, but I'm not seeing any in the pics. Is there a serial number stamped somewhere?
I wouldn't even assume that this is an Italian made frame - what's the bottom bracket threading?
For an Italian contract frame I would expect to see the frame size stamped somewhere, but I'm not seeing any in the pics. Is there a serial number stamped somewhere?
10-04-23, 08:06 PM
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problem is, all my best spare front wheels are tubular.. I suppose there’s a reason they’re still spares.
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was pretty sure there weren’t any serial numbers, but wanted to wait til I was back in town to confirm. still couldn’t find any.
good call on the bb tho; 68mm.
also noticed rifling in the steerer.
problem is, all my best spare front wheels are tubular.. I suppose there’s a reason they’re still spares.
MauriceMoss
was pretty sure there weren’t any serial numbers, but wanted to wait til I was back in town to confirm. still couldn’t find any.
good call on the bb tho; 68mm.
also noticed rifling in the steerer.
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Nice looking frame, plus it came with the drop bar option. If me, I’d probably get some new wheels built up with Velocity A23 rims, a more hill friendly freewheel, and put the drop bars back on. Have fun!
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All the Palo Altos I have seen had "Palo Alto" pantographed on the seat stay tube caps. They also had "BMZ" (for Biemezetta, the top-drawer contract builder) stamped into the bottom bracket somewhere.
BTW, Palo Altos were very nice frames,
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Very nice bike ....whatever it is . I would set that up with whatever makes it useable for you. Think about lowering the front derailleur just a bit. i was taught (can't remember when) that a edge of a nickel is about the right distance. Hopefully that mark on the non drive side crank arm is dirt.
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